The Gist
For thirty minutes each day, Pesca challenges himself and his audience, in a responsibly provocative style, and gets beyond the rigidity and dogma. The Gist is surprising, reasonable, and willing to critique the left, the right, either party, or any idea.
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Funny You Should Mention - Episode 4 Django Gold
Django Gold is a stand-up comedian, a former writer for The Late Show With Stephen Colbert, and a veteran of The Onion. In his stand-up special "Bag of Tricks," he explores not being cool, show-off toilet seats, and the privilege of owning multiple pairs of scissors. His comedy has been described as "cynical and bizarre" but also "surprising, insightful and properly deranged." We discuss the right amount of weird to present to the audience without seeming too weird, and the evolution of the archetype of nerd to IT guy to incel.
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15/11/24•1h 2m
Gaetz Rates As Latest Basket Case
The nomination of Matt Gaetz to be United States Attorney General is shocking, confusing, and tumultuous, but not necessarily a non-starter. Plus, the Democratic Party is the HR department of politics. And, with government efficiency in the news, Richard Coffin of USAFacts stops by to give us the actual facts on where there is fat (or even muscle and sinew) to cut in the Federal budget.
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14/11/24•43m 21s
Hegseth In Over His Head
Peter Hegseth is Donald Trump's nominee to be Secretary of Defense. It's an impossible job, one that he can't possibly fulfill, and maybe that's the point. Plus, Israelis in Amsterdam chased and beaten, but some in the press say they (more or less) deserved it. And we are joined once more by Ben Wittes of Lawfare to talk about Trump's possible prosecutions.
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13/11/24•48m 9s
Lock Em Up: from Threat to Truth
Ben Wittes, Editor-in-Chief of Lawfare, discusses what Trump can actually do and where the protections are for those he's threatened to criminally prosecute—Kamala is probably safe, but Jack Smith could be quite inconvenienced. Plus, Kristi Noem for DHS, and to California ballot counters: your torpor is not a virtue.
Also, today The Atlantic published Mike's piece about the "HR-ification" of the Democratic party.
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12/11/24•35m 20s
The Chicken Beer And Video Game Phase
Revelations from campaigns that could have been shared a while ago are being unearthed now. It turns out CNN knew Kamala Harris wasn't inspiring Pennsylvanians, but ... now they tell us! Plus, Seth Moulton gets pilloried for saying Dems need to talk about more issues openly. And Vic Michaelis of Very Important People stops by. VIP is an amazing show on Dropout TV, in which improvisers in heavy makeup discover they have been turned into werewolves or rocks, and then sit for an in-depth interview on the character they just learned they were.
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11/11/24•38m 31s
BEST OF THE GIST: Trump Wins … Again Edition
This weekend on Best Of The Gist, we listen to part two of our interview with Washington Post investigative reporter Albert Samaha about his deep dive into the NIL economy. Then we rewind exactly eight years, to the morning America woke up to realize Donald Trump was President.
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09/11/24•31m 23s
Trump's Megaphone Is A Thing Of Envy
Donald Trump knows how to speak so he's heard. Democrats ... much less so. Plus, there are many legitimate recriminations for the Democrats to engage in, but "Elon Musk's money made things unfair" is not one of them. And we speak with Albert Samaha of the Washington Post about the hidden economy of college sports.
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08/11/24•43m 22s
Polling Predictiveness And Nate-Hating Maniacs
The polls were really very accurate, despite what the Nate-haters say. Amy Walter, Publisher and Editor-in-Chief of the Cook Political Report, explains why a clean sweep was not a surprise, assuming you understand concepts like margin of error and correlation. Plus, the offended Puerto-Rican vote failed to materialize, and unmarried women were overwhelmed by the voting preferences of their dads, boyfriends, and guys they went to high school with.
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07/11/24•45m 58s
Trump II, Day 1
Donald Trump has won, his coalition is actually more diverse than any Republican since Nixon, and his share of the popular vote could be larger than any Republican since George H.W. Bush in 1988—it was certainly the largest in 20 years. Today, Mike has a critique of the media, hope for the republic, and a pair of interviews. First, he talks with not-Trump-nor-Harris voters Kemele Foster, of The 5th Column podcast, and Coleman Hughes, author of The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America, and we get to hear them react to Trump's victory in the moment. Then Peter Meijer, one of ten House Republicans to vote to impeach Donald Trump, says he stands by his vote, but understands Trump's success.
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06/11/24•58m 49s
The Migratory Patterns of the North American Elk as Rendered In Song
Nah, its the election. We advise against supposed bellwethers, and the scrutinization of early exit polls. Plus, the march of progress by so many statistical measures will happen and has happened, no matter who is President. In today's interview, we're joined by Damon Linker for a conversation replete with wisdom and insight regardless of who wins. And it's clear who has already won ... why, it's the North American Elk, who number over a million and have been successfully reintroduced after 19th century hunters depleted populations, as this plaintive flute solo conveys.
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06/11/24•47m 13s
Pennsylvania's Battle Against Election Denial
Kathy Boockvar, former Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, fought back an orchestrated, well-funded, and dangerous scheme to overturn the results of the 2020 election in her state. She shares her playbook for this go 'round. Plus, the last week of the election went quite poorly for Donald Trump. Why did he dress like a Garbage man? That said, he didn't say what they said he said about shooting Liz Cheney.
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04/11/24•46m 44s
BEST OF THE GIST: Endorsements Edition
Each weekend on Best Of The Gist, we listen back to an archival Gist segment from the past, then we replay something from the past week. This weekend, though, we’re kicking it old school, with two segments from 2014. First up, Mike’s now-10-year-old interview with Casper Kelly creator of the epic and addictive Adult Swim video Too Many Cooks. Then, with endorsements in the air, we listen back to Mike’s conversation with Patrick LaForge from the New York Times, who tells us the origin story behind the expression “retweets don’t equal endorsements.”
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02/11/24•23m 20s
Funny You Should Mention - Episode 3 Sam Jay
Our third installment of Funny You Should Mention welcomes Sam Jay, former SNL writer, Tom Brady Roaster, host of HBO's Pause with Sam Jay, and stand-up comic behind such specials as Netflix's 3 In The Morning and HBO's Salute Me or Shoot Me. Sam and Mike talk cops, racism, white vs black people money management, and a joke she'll discuss but won't be telling again.
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01/11/24•57m 7s
The Gist Presidential Endorsement
Everyone's getting out of the presidential endorsement business, but The Gist, sensing a market opportunity, is wading in! Plus, Bloomberg's Akshat Rathi is back to discuss EVs, the energy needs of the AI revolution, and the banning the domestic extraction of oil?
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31/10/24•40m 56s
Garbage Gate Redux
Joe Biden calls Trump supporters "garbage," only he didn't mean it, probably, though he did say it, literally. Ugh. Pennsylvania Puerto Ricans are in play! Plus, Trump and Harris' dueling energy policies, and a conversation with Akshat Rathi, reporter for Bloomberg News, host of Bloomberg's Zero podcast, and author of Climate Capitalism: Winning the Race to Zero Emissions and Solving the Crisis of Our Age.
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30/10/24•39m 22s
A Panel Of Zoomers
Four members of the Gen Z cohort, who will be voting in their first Presidential election cycle next week, talk with Mike about America In One Room: The Youth Vote, a deliberative poll and group experiment in direct democracy that was conducted back in July. They'll discuss who they are voting for and why, learning to listen to each other, and how to convince other young people on political issues. Plus, another boring (and ignored) Kamala Harris plan that could have big effects on actual lives of actual Americans.
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29/10/24•58m 57s
Floating Pile Of Garbage Punchlines
A joke at a punch rally gets pilloried. And a full-show interview with Musa al-Gharbi on his book We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of a New Elite. This is the conversation all the symbolic capitalists have been waiting for!
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28/10/24•53m 8s
BEST OF THE GIST: Zimbardo Edition
Each weekend on Best Of The Gist, we listen back to an archival Gist segment from the past, then we replay something from the past week. This weekend, we do neither. Instead, we listen back to Mike’s 2008 NPR interview with Philip Zimbardo, the psychologist who became famous for his Stanford Prison Experiment. Zimbardo died earlier this month. Then we listen to Mike’s recent interview with NewsNation’s Dan Abrams about Kamala Harris’ 60 Minutes interview, in which editing occurred.
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26/10/24•28m 11s
Dad Jokes
To say that comedian Gary Vider's dad was an "unorthodox" parent is to misunderstand the word "unorthodox." His parenting toolbox included lying, deception, and fear, which is par for the course when you are a conman, but it can leaves scars on those close to you. Vider is out with a podcast about his dad and his childhood called #1 Dad. Also on the show, would you sell your vote to Kamala or Donald for $1,300?
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25/10/24•47m 42s
The End Of The World As Fred Knows It
Fred Kaplan has won a Pulitzer, been nominated for another, and he's covered the national security community for years. So he finally decided to just throw out the rules of non-fiction and write a novel ... about the end of the World, or almost the end of the world. A Capital Calamity is a tale of impending armageddon not with a bang nor a whimper, but because of a consultant. Plus, airlines have finally addressed the on-again-off-again no-smoking sign in a rather stupid way. Also on the show, Trump is close to winning because incumbents the world over are getting "schlonged."
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24/10/24•44m 51s
How John Lewis Conceived Of Change
David Greenberg is out with the first biography of Congressman John Lewis, which offers an examination of the highly influential legislator's activism, congressional record, and how his theories of change themselves changed depending on the role he played. Plus, a recent This American Life episode about the Democrats' uncommitted delegates raised the stakes, but left out details. Also on the show, examining Kamala Harris' claims that under a second Trump administration, there will be no patriotic staffers to erect guardrails.
CORRECTION: A previous version of The Spiel errantly mentioned that Michigan had the largest Palestinian population of any U.S. state. We corrected the mistake.
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24/10/24•44m 6s
Stained Steele
Christopher Steele's infamous dossier set in motion massive investigations, furious push back, quite nearly an impeachment, and massive turmoil within the intelligence and media communities. In a full-show interview, at times contentious at other times revelatory, Christopher Steele explains his methods and defends his findings. His new book is Unredacted: Russia, Trump, and the Fight for Democracy. Also on the show, Donald Trump's dong diversion.
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22/10/24•50m 17s
Da Bulls, Da Bears, And Da Bottle
Harry Teinowitz was a storied radio host on ESPN radio in Chicago, a comedian, an actor, and an alcoholic. He's now a playwright. His new play, Another Shot, which chronicles this journey stars Dan Butler, who played Bulldog Briscoe on Frazier for many years. Also, Kamala Harris is down to 39% in one betting market, so Mike bet on her. Plus, Donald Trump mentions a golfer's clubs, but not in the way you think ... unless you were thinking about penises.
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21/10/24•37m 22s
BEST OF THE GIST: Nobel Prize Edition
Each weekend on Best Of The Gist, we listen back to an archival Gist segment from the past, then we replay something from the past week. This weekend, we listen back to an extended cut of Mike’s 2023 interview with Daron Acemoglu and Simon Johnson, who were then the recent authors of the new book Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity, and who won the 2024 Nobel Prize for Economics this past week. Then we replay Mike’s recent treatise on when journalism achieves the goals of art, but doesn't quite tell the accurate story.
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19/10/24•1h
Funny You Should Mention - Episode 2 Rachel Feinstein
Rachel Feinstein’s acting credits include HBO’s Crashing, Comedy Central’s Inside Amy Schumer, and Hulu’s Life & Beth. Her latest stand-up special, Big Guy, came out on Netflix earlier this year. Rachel comes from a family of intellectual giants, though doesn’t include herself in that category. In Mike’s conversation with her, however, she reveals her insightfulness, which is better suited for comedy than the classroom. Plus she channels her mother, husband, and a variety of Staten Island firefighters.
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18/10/24•57m 43s
Saving The Earth By Salting The Clouds
Quico Toro of Persuasion and the OnePercentBrighter.com Substack has been writing about global warming solutions, and analyzing the sorry state of climate journalism. Plus, Yahya Sinwar is dead, his plan having been proven ruinous. Also on the show, Kamala Harris went on Fox, and it was spirited, somewhat informative, and not nearly as clear as the Vice President would have us think.
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17/10/24•42m 33s
Harry In A Hurry
The Election is less than 3 weeks away, and CNN's Harry Enten has the breakdown of the demographics, arguments, issues, and attitudes that are going to decide this tight, tight race. We also talk about hamsters. Plus, when journalism achieves the goals of art, but doesn't quite tell the accurate story.
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16/10/24•42m 37s
The Pennsylvania Pollsters
Brian Rosenwald, political and media historian at the University of Pennsylvania and possessor of Pennsylvania knowledge, talks all the key races in the Keystone State. Plus, Kamala Harris is playing tape of Trump at her rallies. Also on the show, Elon Musk's rocket launches have been thwarted by Musk-averse members of the California Coastal Commission and, to a lesser extent, the snowy plover.
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15/10/24•39m 53s
Pesca Plus Jake Tapper
We are off today due to the Holiday and wanted to give you an idea of what Pesca Plus members get to listen to. Today's interview was with Jake Tapper from Marth 15, 2024 talking about his new CNN Series United States Of Scandal. Use the link below to subscribe!
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14/10/24•35m 21s
BEST OF THE GIST: The Dispatch Edition
This weekend on Best Of The Gist, a couple segments from The Dispatch Podcast, on which Mike was a guest last week. Hosts Sarah Isgur and Jonah Goldberg talked with Mike about Israel’s military exchanges with Iran, the legitimacy of “experts,” and some movie reviews.
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12/10/24•39m 35s
Who Wants to Be A College President?
There was a time when "College President" was a cushy job, but that time is officially over. Now its a headache rapped in a time suck surrounded by a protest. Bill Funk, of Funk Associates, is a recruiter of college presidents, and he's here to acknowledge that, indeed, this is the most difficult period he's ever experienced for hiring college presidents. Plus, Trump speaks in Detroit, disparagingly, about Detroit. Also on the show, where have all the critters gone? The WWF finds a 73-percent decline in vertebrates, but Mike has enough backbone to question that stat.
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11/10/24•44m 21s
Talking Zoning Without Zoning Out
Zoning is really, really important, but it's also a tad dry. Well, not when they're putting up a four-storey building right next door, ruining your ability to record a podcast, but maybe I'm getting overly biographical. Sara Bronin, chair of the U.S. Advisory Council on Historic Preservation and former Zoning and Planning Commissioner of the city of Hartford, Connecticut, is here to talk about her book Key To The City: How Zoning Shapes Our World. It gets spicier than the topic of zoning might suggest. Plus, Ron DeSantis responds to a hurricane in a serious and competent manner, which is why the Republicans didn't like him enough to be their nominee. Also on the show, while disinformation is demoralizing, good old fashioned rumors killed some victims of Katrina.
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10/10/24•42m 9s
Shifting Shame To Blame, The Trump Way
Arlie Russell Hochschild went to Kentucky to study the reasons residents give for supporting Donald Trump, even if so many of his policies seem to be against their interests. The resulting book, Stolen Pride: Loss, Shame, and the Rise of the Right describes Trump as the good bully in the eyes of his supporters. Plus, the state of Oklahoma is intent on putting Richard Glossip to death, despite strong evidence he had no hand in the murder for which he was convicted. SCOTUS heard the case today, and analysis of the issues and a brief analysis of Richard Glossip's appeal to multiple women he married while on death row.
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09/10/24•36m 51s
Swing State Update: Nevada
On Tuesday, November 5th, as they start to tally the ballots and declare electoral votes, few states will be as scrutinized as the Silver State. We talk with veteran Nevada political journalist Jon Ralston of The Nevada Independent about his state's precarious position. Then we shift gears and discuss takeaways from the summer movie season with Sonny Bunch, Culture Editor at The Bulwark. Also on the show, a campaign win.
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08/10/24•44m 45s
The Eric Adams Mishegoss
Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City and a former cop, is in hot water. He’s been charged with bribery and campaign finance offenses, his friend and Deputy Mayor Phil Banks resigned over the weekend, and the New York Times is out with some polling indicating that 69% of New Yorkers want Adams to go too. To discuss this mess, Harry Siegel of The City and the FAQ NYC podcast joins us. Also on the show, Mike’s thoughts on the one-year anniversary of October 7th, when Hamas attacked Israel, plunging the nation (and possibly the region) into a protracted and deadly war.
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07/10/24•37m 5s
BEST OF THE GIST: Terror Edition
Each weekend on Best Of The Gist, we listen back to an archival Gist segment from the past, then we replay something from the past week. This weekend, we listen back to Mike’s 2016 interview with Chad Millman, author of The Detonators: The Secret Plot to Destroy America and an Epic Hunt for Justice about the first major act of foreign terrorism on American soil. Then we replay Tuesday’s show intro, in which Mike laments the lamentations of the pundit class.
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05/10/24•31m 17s
Funny You Should Mention - Nimesh Patel
Funny You Should Mention Episode One: Nimesh Patel. Over his career Nimesh Patel has gone from a comedian who wants to make points and jokes to a purely joke-oriented comic. He’s somewhat of the prefect comedian to kick off this series which looks at comedy routines as if they were an argument or an Op-ed. Nimesh has actually written Op-Eds for the NY Times. We discuss being kicked off stage at Columbia University, eviscerating the healthcare system when over a dozen of your cousins are doctors, and more about Indian President Narendra Modi than most conversations with comics usually include.
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04/10/24•1h 3m
Wisconsin By A Whisker, Arizona By An Iota
Amy Walter, Editor-in-Chief of The Cook Political Report, is here with the news that you knew but didn't know how very true it was—the Presidential race is very, very close. As in, a one percent Harris advantage in the swing states overall. Plus, Jack Smith re-writes his legal brief, making the case that Trump interfered in the 2020 election, but Trump claims the disclosure of said brief is interference in the 2024 election.
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03/10/24•43m 17s
Knucklehead Of State
The stakes for debates are pretty low when the Vice Presidency is the office in question, but J.D. Vance seems to have said better sounding words than Tim Walz, according to most reactions. Putting in a word for Walz—or at least a warning against Vance—is our guest Democratic strategist and analyst Jess McIntosh, who is here to assess the Vice Presidential debate. Plus, a dock strike could jeopardize goods across America. Turns out, dockworkers earn on average more than $150k a year at the East Coast's biggest port, and they also hold most of the cards in this negotiation.
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02/10/24•45m 19s
For Israel, Tactics Are Strategy
As Iran officially entered the war against Israel this morning, launching just short of 200 ballistic missiles at numerous Israeli targets, pundits continued to praise Israel's tactics but question its strategy. The thing is, the tactics ("kill enemy") and strategy ("win war") seem pretty aligned. Also on the show, Washington Post Opinion columnist Dana Milbank joins us to discuss his newest book, Fools on the Hill: The Hooligans, Saboteurs, Conspiracy Theorists, and Dunces Who Burned Down the House.
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01/10/24•45m 23s
Israel Ponders A "Winnable" War
For years, the standard thinking was that the ongoing standoff between Israel and its enemies was "no win." Hamas was entrenched. Hezbollah was well-armed. But now, in the wake of a series of massively successful attacks that cut down Hezbollah leadership, and with Iran seeming to be disinclined to counterattack, that thinking is changing. We're joined by Steven Simon, a Clinton and Obama counter-terorrism hand and author of Grand Delusion: The Rise and Fall of American Ambition in the Middle East. Plus, Kamala Harris finally does a hard news interview, but with an interviewer who says Kamala Harris really doesn't need to do interviews.
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30/09/24•45m 55s
BEST OF THE GIST: Dog Food Edition
Each weekend on Best Of The Gist, we listen back to an archival Gist segment from the past, then we replay something from the past week. This weekend, we rewind to Mike’s 2016 interview with Tim Harford, author of Messy: The Power of Disorder to Transform Our Lives. In it, he makes the case for routine-busting labor strikes, cluttered desks, and leaving your emails unsorted. He also explains why we’re smart to want scatterbrained musicians and orderly accountants. Then we’ll replay our most recent Tuesday Spiel, in which Mike weighs in on the controversial topic of the canine gut biome.
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28/09/24•29m 53s
A Barn, A Murder, And The Weight Of Secrecy
Wright Thompson’s family farm in Mississippi is 23 miles from the site where fourteen-year-old Emmett Till was murdered in the summer of 1955. In his new book, The Barn: The Secret History of a Murder in Mississippi, Thompson details the length people will go to in order to obscure the truth. He joins us to discuss Emmett, the barn, and his home state. Also on the show, we appreciate you … you know what we’re saying?
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27/09/24•43m 34s
Liberalism As A Way Of Life
In the United States, as well as in many other English-speaking nations, “liberal” is a label with much political baggage. But “liberalism” is a much broader idea. It’s the belief that living in a society that values civil liberties, democracy, free enterprise, and individual rights is the foundation of modern life, and Alexandre Lefebvre believes it’s a good life. He’s written about it in his new book, Liberalism As A Way Of Life. Also on the show, Mike airs his technology-related grievances.
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26/09/24•44m 57s
"Obamaha" For The Win
You know it's a kooky election when Omaha, Nebraska could swing the presidency to the Democrats and California is the path to control of the House of Representatives for the Republicans. Mike is joined by Steve Kornacki, NBC National Political Correspondent and host of The Revolution podcast, to talk about recent polling, mail-in voting, the coattails effect, and who the hell the "incumbent" is in the 2024 race. Also on the show, Maine and Nebraska have decided to be special.
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25/09/24•46m 23s
Weight Loss Drugs And Snacking On Monkey
In under-covered jungle news, monkeys are being eaten by apes, and this has been going on for a while. In human consumption news, the Senate attempts to browbeat the maker of Wegovy into a price drop. Plus, we're joined for the second half of our interview with Louise Story, co-author of Fifteen Cents on the Dollar: How Americans Made the Black-White Wealth Gap.
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24/09/24•37m 54s
Chronicling The Black-White Wealth Gap
Louise Story is here to discuss her new book, Fifteen Cents On The Dollar: How Americans Made the Black-White Wealth Gap. Plus Israel and Hezbollah fighting intensifies and Donald Trump gets us to ask ourselves "What if MLK were a swole bro?"
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23/09/24•40m 40s
BEST OF THE GIST: Reason Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we bring you a recent episode of The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie, on which Mike Pesca was the guest. It’s an hour of Nick and Mike talking quite a bit about how NPR lost its way.
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21/09/24•1h 13m
Naked Came The Lieutenant Governor
It wasn't only North Carolina Senate candidate Mark Robinson's political ambitions that were naked, it was his forum for web posting—the Nude Africa website, where he declared himself a "Black Nazi," and where he detailed his particular taste in pornogrpahy. Plus, RFK Jr. takes a lover, and it seems she's a member of the 4th Estate. Plus, we're joined by writer, director, and actress Jennifer Esposito. She starred in Summer of Sam and Spin City, and now she's out with a new film, Fresh Kills. She joins to talk mafia movies, her Staten Island upbringing, and the torture of making and marketing an indie film today.
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20/09/24•44m 14s
Maryland Governor Wes Moore
Today a wide-ranging interview with Maryland Governor Wes Moore. We talk about the bipartisan blame for America's housing policy, why Baltimore's murder rate is drastically declining, and his studied assessment of international terrorism. Plus, Mike's fruitless foray into correcting an inaccurate tweet about pet eating. Also, we just posted a video version of Mike's interview with Bradley Tusk from yesterday's show. Find it here.
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19/09/24•37m 6s
Phoning In The Election
We do everything on the phone, so why not vote? It's much more secure than you think, says Bradley Tusk, author of Vote With Your Phone: Why Mobile Voting Is Our Final Shot At Saving Democracy. Plus, one of America's two great newspapers tracks down a lost cat that could swing the election, or could have if she were not "lost" but "lunch."
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18/09/24•47m 50s
How A Judge Decides Who Gets A Second Chance
We're joined once more by sitting federal judge Frederic Block to discuss his thought process in sentencing and forgiving. His new book is A Second Chance: A Federal Judge Decides Who Deserves It. Plus, Biden strategically drags his feet on the acquisition of U.S. Steel. And Hezbollah's pagers go off in a big way.
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17/09/24•33m 44s
Television Doesn't Understand Why People Watch TV
The Emmy's are a tradition wherein excellence in television is honored by a long display of inartful television. Plus, Elon Musk is carelessly worsening the atmosphere around the second assassination attempt against Donald Trump. And we're joined by Judge Frederic Block of the Eastern District of New York, who has sentenced scores of defendants to long prison terms, but now the law is providing him with a means to reconsider some of those sentences. He discusses how he approaches his duties under the First Step Act in his new book, A Second Chance: A Federal Judge Decides Who Deserves It.
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16/09/24•43m 0s
BEST OF THE GIST: Dan Savage Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, with the permission of the fine folks at the Savage Lovecast, we will listen to Mike being interviewed by Dan Savage of the trés popular Savage Lovecast, for his series “Sex & Politics.” They discuss the debate and the election, and Mike gives sex advice. So, there’s that.
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14/09/24•56m 54s
The Missiles That Pissed Off Putin
The UK's Keir Starmer and President Joe Biden are apparently arming the Ukrainians in a way that Vladimir Putin does not approve of. Plus, veteran political journalist Joe Klein, of the Sanity Clause Substack, joins to discuss the debate, the election, and what the Democrats are finally doing right. Also, in the plastic straw wars ... it's the last straw!
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13/09/24•48m 45s
Defaming DiResta For Defining Disinformation
As the technical research manager at Stanford Internet Observatory, Renée DiResta studied disinformation and alerted social media companies to violations of their own rules. This opened her up to charges that she was engaging in censorship. Out with a new book, Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies into Reality, DiResta discusses those accusations and the difference between disinformation, disliked information, and normal political puffery. She also denies being an active CIA agent, which is exactly what a CIA agent might say. Plus, Donald Trump's cognition needn't be the source of investigation when it's output is the source of so much content.
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12/09/24•47m 30s
Got Cat?
Donald Trump clashes with Kamala Harris in their only scheduled presidential debate. Among the important issues debated: abortion, inflation, and immigrants eating pets. Reasonable people can differ on two of those three issues. Mike is joined by Steve Hayes, editor of The Dispatch to discuss. They disagree on abortion policy, though not on Trump's arguments explaining and advancing his policy. They also disagree on the fairness of the moderators. But their disagreement is a veritable symphony of productivity, as opposed to much of what we heard last night.
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11/09/24•46m 22s
How Is This Election Close?
A close read of media choices and voter preferences explains the refrain we've been hearing—shock that the race is so close. Plus, San Fransisco has come up a lot in the presidential race, because Kamala Harris is from there, you may have heard. We're joined by The New York Times San Fransisco Bureau Chief, Heather Knight to talk about her home city and how it's changed since earning a reputation as a place of progressive fervor. She lets us know which of the stereotypes still apply.
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10/09/24•45m 25s
Barack Talk
Former Barack Obama speechwriter, Terry Szuplat discusses Kamala Harris' challenges, Barak Obama's techniques, and he is forced to pay a compliment to the rhetorical style of Donald Trump. Szuplat is the author of Say It Well: Find Your Voice, Speak Your Mind, Inspire Any Audience. Plus, should Elon Musk be arrested? (No.) Should the media tell you the presidential election is close? (They should.) Should teases give away the answers to rhetorical questions? (Only in rare circumstances.)
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09/09/24•41m 41s
BEST OF THE GIST: Paper Straw Rant Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, with Presidential candidate Kamala Harris officially reversing her support of a plastic straw ban, a topic stuck in Mike’s craw for years, we replay his 2019 Spiel on the topic. Then we revisit Thursday’s Spiel about Tim Pool, fool.
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07/09/24•20m 22s
Endemic Is Less Polemic Than An Epidemic
Covid-19 is still around, but it's far less deadly. And, yet ... still deadly. Katelyn Jetelina, author of the Your Local Epidemiologist Substack, is here to talk about lessons learned, how vigilant we should all be, and if she ever wears a mask anymore. Plus, Hunter Biden pleads to felony tax evasion charges, debate anticipation has put every thing else in suspended animation, and we take listener feedback, play jingles, and award a Lobstar of this Antwentig.
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06/09/24•46m 29s
Colony Calumny
Israel's critics describe it as a colonizer, settler colonizers, in fact. We examine the rational and irrational reasoning behind this as we talk with Adam Kirsch author of On Settler Colonialism: Ideology, Violence, and Justice. Plus, Tim Pool, amplified by Vladamir Putin and goofball election prognosticator Allan Lichtman, is at it again, with assistance from the entire media.
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05/09/24•36m 21s
Kamala Nails The Soundbite
Unlike anogenital distance researchers on NPR, at the DNC, Kamala Harris accepted her party's nomination with polished, practiced style. Also on the show, author Adam Kirsch joins us to discuss his new book, On Settler Colonialism: Ideology, Violence, and Justice. Plus, a peace deal not taken.
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04/09/24•41m 15s
Heavy Metal Thunder
The greening of energy is fueled not just by air and wind but many minerals that need extraction. Standing in the way: regulations, a flower, and the Apache. Reuters energy reporter, Ernest Scheyder joins us to discuss his book The War Below: Lithium, Copper, and the Global Battle to Power Our Lives. Plus, a West Indian Day parade experienced deadly violence, as has often been the case ... still, the parade must go on.
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03/09/24•43m 4s
Well, like, dude...its Labor Day
We are out of the office for the holiday, but we wanted to give you the chance to listen to an interview that Pesca Plus members got to hear. Back on 4/20/23 Mike talked to Valerie Fridland about her book "Well, like, dude". Enjoy the longer version of the interview and you can subscribe to ad free or Pesca plus with the link below.
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02/09/24•52m 44s
BEST OF THE GIST: Jonah Goldberg Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, while at the DNC a couple weeks back, Mike got to sit down with Friend Of The Gist Jonah Goldberg for a wide-ranging political conversation that became an episode of Jonah’s podcast, The Remnant. Today, we bring you that interview.
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31/08/24•1h 15m
Gaming Out Insurrection
A new faux-documentary posits a terrifying potential scenario: it's January 6, 2025, and the US government has to confront rogue members of the US military attempting a coup. War Game's stars include veterans of five Presidential administrations who participate in an unscripted exercise to quash the insurrection. We're joined by Director Jesse Moss, and one the film's stars, Peter Strzok, the former FBI Counterintelligence director who led the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election. Also on the show, Kirsten Gillibrand discusses a new era of military justice.
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30/08/24•45m 11s
Homo Economicus
Jamil Zaki is a Stanford researcher and the author of the new book, Hope for Cynics: The Surprising Science of Human Goodness. He brings us a rare positive view of how our society has evolved, what it's evolved into, and he explains the flawed idea of "homo economicus." What does that mean? Listen. Also on the show, hawk tuah.
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29/08/24•45m 14s
The Rise And Fall Of Crypto
In 2020, as the pandemic raged, Andrew Chow found the Clubhouse app, and on it, he marveled at the volume of chatter about cryptocurrencies. He dove into that (mostly male) world of speculative bubbles, NFTs, grandiose ideas, and then watched it all crash and burn. Andrew joins us to discuss his new book, Cryptomania: Hype, Hope, and the Fall of FTX's Billion-Dollar Fintech Empire. Also on the show, Mike says the quiet part out loud.
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28/08/24•45m 10s
Writing Comedy
Today on the show, we are talking about comedic writing with Simon Rich. He has, after all, written for Saturday Night Live, The Simpsons, and The New Yorker, so he knows a bit about trying to be funny on the page. And he's out with a new book, Glory Days: Stories, in which he makes light of entering middle age.
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27/08/24•40m 13s
Releasing Robot You Into The World
Today on show, a two-part conversation with Evan Ratliff, cofounder of The Atavist Magazine and now host of the Shell Game podcast about how he created an AI version of his voice, hooked it up to a chatbot, and allowed it to speak on his behalf to friends, family, and even telemarketers. Well, especially telemarketers. Also on the show, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. joined forces with Donald Trump, though, as is typical with RFK Jr's actions, it's hard to tell how or why.
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26/08/24•40m 14s
BEST OF THE GIST: Mike Visits The Free Press
Mike Pesca and Nancy Rommelmann sit down with Michael Moynihan and Batya Ungar-Sargon from The Free Press to react live to Kamala Harris' keynote speech at the DNC. They also get into the party's division over Israel. Head over to TheFP.com/LIVE to watch the conversation in full.
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24/08/24•35m 23s
They Are Out Of Their Minds
A capable Kamala concludes with a convention capstone for the people. Plus, an assessment, a look forward, and the never-ending attempt to figure out Trump's next maneuver, a conversation with Dave Weigel of Semafor and Marc Caputo of The Bulwark.
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23/08/24•53m 30s
Coach Schmalz
The Democrats think they may have just found the solution to their "white working class problem" which has plagued them for a generation, according to pundits. But on the floor of the DNC, actual Democrat voters don't necessarily agree there is a problem. Also on the show, protestors demand a spot on the conference agenda. Plus, Tim Walz, defensive coordinator.
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22/08/24•26m 4s
What Are Kamala Harris' Legislative Priorities?
At the DNC, Brat Summer is still alive, despite Democratic delegates' inability to articulate Harris' "day one" promises. Also, at the DNC, Mike huddles with New York Times Magazine journalist Ross Barkan about who is leading the left wing of the Democratic party ... or, more accurately, who isn't leading them. Plus, former President Barack Obama flops on the DNC stage. Yeah, right! He crushed it.
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21/08/24•46m 10s
On Line For The DNC, Left Harasses Not-Quite-So Left
On his way into the Democrats big show in Chicago, Mike is confronted by protestors, stoned and angry. Inside, he talks to delegates, which makes him wonder who is more in touch with mainstream America ... the screamers or the Kool-Aid drinkers? Also on the show, University of Minnesota bioethicist and whistleblower Carl Elliott is out with a new book, The Occasional Human Sacrifice: Medical Experimentation and the Price of Saying No.
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20/08/24•35m 17s
Fixing The Constitution
Erwin Chemerinsky is the Dean of the University of California Berkeley School of Law and the author of several books, including his latest, No Democracy Lasts Forever: How the Constitution Threatens the United States. He thinks our democracy is under threat, but he sees simple solutions that just require updating our aging Constitution. The thing is, getting that done is anything but simple. Also on the show, the Olympic break dancing pile-on continues.
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19/08/24•43m 11s
Best Of - Ethics and Journalism
Today on the Gist. We play a June 2019 interview with Kyle Pope. He was the editor of
the Columbia Journalism review. Plus we play the spiel from earlier in the week
about Margaret Sullivan who runs the ethics center at the Columbia School of
Journalism.
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17/08/24•31m 55s
The Societal Profusion Of Rapid Onset Mass Delusion
When a series of high school students began to have odd tics and spasms their upset community didn’t know what to do. Was it poisoning? A mad-cow like neurological disease? Or something no less real, but much more psychological. Dan Taberski, host of the amazing new podcast Hysterical stops by to discuss. Plus, Trump's insults of Kamal Harris, Strategic? Haphazard? Or just stupid?
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16/08/24•40m 6s
Living In A Vibrant Vibocracy
Vibes and Memes translate to cheers and screams for the Harris/ Walz ticket. Mike has 3 theories on what vibes may really mean. Plus, Minouche Shafik is out as President of Columbia, and while we're announcing university HR developments, there's an opening in the Physics department of University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley. https://careers.utrgv.edu/postings/43154 And, Leon Neyfahk and Arielle Paredes are back to talk Juul, Vape and the importance of mangoes, both sliced and whole, in part two of their discussion of their podcast Backfired: The Vaping Wars
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15/08/24•39m 33s
Juul Of Denial
Is vaping bad for you? If you don't know the answer to that question it means the wars were never really settled. Luckily Leon Neyfakh and Arielle Pardes the reporters behind the podcast Backfired: The Vaping Wars are here with answers. Plus, the Russians take New York, and Trump is talking differently about Kamala.
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14/08/24•29m 47s
Risking It All
Kevin Allison, member of MTV's The State, and decade long host of the podcast RISK! talks about chances he's taken in comedy life, sex, and podcasting. Plus, JD Vance's thought experiment and Elon Musk talks particulate matter parts per million with Donald Trump
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13/08/24•40m 7s
The Woman Who Catches Serial Killers
Dr. Ann Burgess is a pioneering profiler of serial killers, and a primary character in the Netflix series Mindhunter. A new Hulu series directed by Abigail Fuller is out, titled Mastermind: To Think Like a Killer. Both director and subject are on today's show. Plus, the two journalism poo-bahs with consistently terrible ideas about journalism. And our broken breaking discourse.
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12/08/24•43m 19s
BEST OF THE GIST: Predictions Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, with Presidential polling and prognosticating in the air, we listen back to Mike’s 2018 with Jordan Ellenberg, a professor of mathematics at the University of Wisconsin-Madison about his book How Not to Be Wrong: The Power of Mathematical Thinking. We also listen back to Mike’s Spiel, in which he recounts the RFK bear fiasco … in song.
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10/08/24•31m 33s
Nate Silver vs. The Village People
The president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and the former President of the United States (POTUS) each gave press conferences. One was much much much more unhinged than the other. Guess which one. Plus, a full-show interview with poker player, forecaster, and author Nate Silver about his new book, On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything.
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09/08/24•41m 40s
Why Stop The Gravy Train Of Joy?
Kamala and Tim are in their honeymoon period as a presidential ticket. They are brat. They are joy. They are vibes. They are happy. Why the hell would they throw away all this momentum, just so they could tell Americans where they stand on issues that matter? It's a good question, and they better come up with the right answer or suffer the fate of candidates who hide from the press in their Delaware bunkers. Capisce? Also on the show, a double-interview day. Mo Rocca on his new book about old folks, Roctogenarians: Late in Life Debuts, Comebacks, and Triumphs. Plus, Kiki Friedman on her online abortion-care company, Hey Jane.
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08/08/24•50m 58s
Walz Wields His Midwesternry
A full analysis of Tim Walz's entry into the 2024 presidential race. Discussed are the chants of "coach," the claims of "joy," the new ways of thinking about key issues that he's introduced into the race. Plus, former Ambassador to Moscow and Acting Secretary of State John J. Sullivan discusses his book Midnight in Moscow: A Memoir from the Front Lines of Russia's War Against the West.
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07/08/24•38m 37s
Tim Time
Minnesota's current governor, Tim Walz has been named Kamala Harris' Vice Presidential pick. Nate Silver is here to tell us what it means and what Harris missed out on in not picking Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. Plus, Shad White, state auditor for Mississippi joins to discuss his new book Mississippi Swindle: Brett Favre and the Welfare Scandal that Shocked America.
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06/08/24•42m 9s
Bear Market
On a day when the Dow dipped considerably, we're joined by Kayla Scanlon, the coiner of "vibe session" and author of In This Economy? How Money and Markets Really Work. Plus: RFK. Bear. A bicycle. A coverup. A recap in story and song.
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05/08/24•39m 6s
BEST OF THE GIST: Tim Walz and John Adams
Today on The Gist, we listen to a 2007 interview from NPR, wherein Mike spoke with Tim Walz, who has emerged as a serious contender to be Kamala Harris' Vice President, should she win). Also, a little extra segment with our guest earlier this week Corey Brettschneider about John Adams' strange relationship with democracy.
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03/08/24•22m 30s
Will Judaism Make Josh Shapiro The Unchosen Person?
Kamala Harris is on the verge of a Vice Presidential choice, and we will evaluate the arguments against the Jewish Governor of Pennsylvania over the perception that his Judaism is a liability. Plus, more on the Olympic Boxers who are women but also did have size and strentgh benefits of testosterone that their fellow competitors did not. Also on the show, Washington And Lee University professors Chris Gavaler and Nat Goldberg discuss their new book, Revising Reality: How Sequels, Remakes, Retcons, and Rejects Explain the World.
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02/08/24•41m 1s
Biden’s Black Hole Polling Effect
With Biden now out of the 2024 Presidential race, the polling data has gotten cleaner … so says conservative pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson. She joins us to talk about Kamala’s sugar rush, Trump’s lack of a nickname for his new opponent, and the breaking of Biden’s negative effect on Democratic polling numbers. Also, an Olympic boxer punches “too hard.” And prisoners are swapped.
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01/08/24•38m 9s
Dangerous Presidents: The Second, And The Second-To-Last
On a day when former President Donald Trump told black journalists that Kamala Harris denied being black (fact check: untrue), we speak about former President John Adams, who himself ran athwart many Constitutional norms ... or, at least, what we have come to accept as norms. Our guest is Corey Brettschneider, author of Presidents and the People: Five Leaders Who Threatened Democracy and the Citizens Who Fought to Defend It. Plus, what Israel's reported assassination of the political leader of Hamas does to the "Israel is doomed to fail" narrative.
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31/07/24•45m 59s
Kamala Harris, For Whom the Ding Dongs
With charges of weirdness and cat lady-dom flying around, Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana gets into the act by calling Kamala Harris a "ding dong." Fox News host Neil Cavuto was not having it. Plus, in other Kamala news, she apparently also can't stand Jewish people, which is weird, because she's married to a Jewish person. And Corey Brettschneider is out with a new book in which he contrasts anti-Constitutional acts by such presidents as Woodrow Wilson, Richard Nixon, and John Adams, and identifies the citizens and politicians who worked to preserve constitutional order.
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30/07/24•39m 8s
The Fine Line Between Greatness And OCD
Last week, after many months spent recovering from a shoulder injury, Clayton Kershaw, maybe the greatest pitcher of his generation, returned to the mound for the LA Dodgers. He is a singular talent in the long history of baseball, and we are joined by Andy McCullough, author of The Last of His Kind: Clayton Kershaw and the Burden of Greatness, to discuss how he earned that distinction. Also, Biden proposes major changes to how the Supreme Court works. And an ode to table tennis.
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29/07/24•40m 25s
BEST OF THE GIST: Like Gold, Bronze Is Better Than Silver Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, with the 2024 Summer Olympic Games underway in France, we listen back to a 2016 Spiel, in which, Mike tries to get to the bottom of an Olympian canard about the happiness of bronze medalists. Then we listen back to our Tuesday Spiel, when Mike ponders Kamala Harris’ past as a prosecutor and whether or not that will mean anything as she faces a convicted felon in the race for President.
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27/07/24•22m 27s
Cool To Be Cringe Kamala
Kamala Harris, or at least some fans, try to remix her way to Coolsville, but there's a detour into Dorksylvania. Sure, go ahead, every candidate gets that treatment, and it all evens out into a thin lime-green meme. Also on the show, we speak with Ibrahim Nash’at, an Egyptian filmaker who imbedded with a group of Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan following the US military withdrawal. The resulting film, Hollywoodgate, is a bizarre, tense, and unique glimpse into how a feared fighting force transitions from guerrilla warfare to actual leadership.
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26/07/24•33m 29s
Cherrying The Biden Tenure
So Biden didn't say goodbye, but he did explain that duty surpassed ambition in his decision to not seek re-election. Jonah Goldberg, Editor-in-Chief of The Dispatch, drops by to discuss some of the Biden theses. We will also diagnose where Kamala Harris now stands, and where she needs to move to win the favor of the median voter, a person too often forgotten as we chase the label of being "brat."
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25/07/24•40m 26s
How To Moderate Great Debate
Kyle Clark, anchor and debate moderator for 9NEWS, Denver's NBC affiliate, recently got a lot of attention for his deft moderation of a debate between Lauren Boebert and five Republican rivals. The kudos were deserved, and in this feature interview, Clark discusses how to conduct a good debate, his critique of CNN's recent debate, and which of the latest trends in long-form interviewing annoy him. Also on the show, Netanyahu goes to Washington ... where he's greeted by maggots.
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24/07/24•42m 46s
Harris "Prosecuting" Trump
Astead Herndon, host of The New York Times' podcast The Run-Up, has been covering Kamala Harris for a while. He was the Times' campaign reporter for Harris’ 2020 presidential campaign, and last year he wrote the extensive and fairly devastating profile titled, "In Search of Kamala Harris" for The New York Times Magazine. He here to discuss Harris' skill set, why the cross pressures of the past are gone today, and what arguments she thinks will work against Donald Trump. Plus, as Harris embraces and emphasizes her role as prosecutor, an examination the effectiveness of that argument considering the scale of past prosecutions.
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23/07/24•38m 16s
Biden Out, Harris In, GOP Still Thinks They'll Win
After party leaders, donors, and voters made clear that they didn't want Joe Biden running, this past weekend, the President bowed out. Vice President Kamala Harris is there to take the mantle. Benjamin Wallace-Wells, staff writer for The New Yorker, joins us to talk about the factors that contributed to Biden's decision, the opportunities for Harris to make inroads, and if other Democratic politicians really wanted the job. Plus, how Harris can credibly answer the charge that she's a failed "Border Czar." And does Harris' path to the nomination undercut the charge that Trump is the one who is a threat to democracy?
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22/07/24•41m 30s
BEST OF THE GIST: RNC 2024 Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we replay Mike’s examination of the polarizing effect of fiery political rhetoric is blamed for political violence. And, with political violence on all American minds, we listen back to our 2015 interview with Bryan Burrow who explains what America’s radical underground revolutionaries from the 1970s are up to now. He is the author of Days Of Rage: America’s Radical Underground, the FBI, and the Forgotten Age of Revolutionary Violence.
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20/07/24•30m 23s
Trump Reflects, Then Rages
Donald Trump spoke for the first time since being shot. He was muted, then rageful ... as usual. We also heard from Kid Rock, Hulk Hogan, and a retinue of supporters and paid employees who spoke of his kindness, politeness, and golf swing. Plus, when politicians achieve a policy goal they've long promised, they crow about it, whether they be promises kept on tax cuts, military spending, or other programs. Then there's abortion. There was a cone of near silence in Milwaukee this week about the subject, but we speak with delegates, religious leaders, and elected officials to parse the politics and tactics behind this taciturnity.
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19/07/24•26m 31s
Trump's Unexpected Strength With Black Voters
On Day One of the 2024 Republican National Convention, five of the six black Republicans in congress spoke to the crowd. Burgess Owens was the sixth, and we tracked him down on the floor of the convention to hear why he, and other black men, are supporting Trump. Also on the show, misleading calls-and-response at the RNC. Plus, the unveiling of the J. D. Vance.
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18/07/24•33m 33s
Babydog And Boebert
With Day 2 of the RNC now in the rearview mirror, we will listen to Mike's interviews with Lauren Boebert and Pennsylvania Republican Senate candidate David McCormick, who was in the front row of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Plus, a cute bulldog's middling political prognostication, and a breakdown of the statistics around the crime rates of unlawful immigrants versus the impact on family members of the victims of these crimes.
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17/07/24•27m 29s
Republicans Explain Polarization
A run down of the major themes of Day One of the RNC, from gas prices to the many black Republicans who took the stage. Plus, JD Vance and DJ Trump are mirror images. Also, as the polarizing effect of fiery political rhetoric is blamed for political violence, we hear from dozens of Republicans who agree, deflect, deny, explain, excuse, acknowledge.
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16/07/24•30m 0s
Heated Rhetoric (And Deranged People With Guns) Are Making Politics Dangerous
Other than political brinksmanship, the fraying of societal norms, an ocean of bad information, and nearly unchecked gun ownership, how have we arrived at this moment in which people think the way to settle an election is with an assault rifle? Mike is in Miluakee for the RNC, and he will explain. Also, we are joined by Abby Kiesa, Deputy Director at Tufts University's Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE), to talk about why young people vote—or, more likely, don't vote—and why it's so hard to study. Plus, the upending of the 2024 election.
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15/07/24•37m 48s
BEST OF THE GIST: The Good Fight Edition
This week, we dedicate our weekend Best Of show to an interview Mike did on Yascha Mounk’s podcast, The Good Fight. Mike is the guest in this wide-ranging conversation about media and society, and Yascha’s voice is very calming. Enjoy.
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13/07/24•1h 14m
Water War
Gabriela Cowperthwaite and investigative reporter Nate Halverson join Mike to talk about their film about the international militias and governments waging a war for water, The Grab. Plus, Biden passes his presser, judging on the curve of his capabilities. Also, when Broadway brilliance becomes basic.
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12/07/24•37m 22s
France vs USA When "Democracy Is At Stake"
In the United States, we're told that democracy is "on the ballot." But how do the very people making those claims enjoin the battle to save it? In France, they pulled back from a far right victory. We're joined by Yascha Mounk, the Editor in Chief of Persuasion, a Johns Hopkins Professor, and author of, The Great Experiment: Why Diverse Democracies Fall Apart and How They Can Endure.
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11/07/24•37m 58s
Elon Musk: Space Innovator or Inefficient Colonel Sanders?
A New York Times front page investigation tallies up all the bird nests (nine total) and other flora, fauna, and civil war battlefields "discommoded" by launches of SpaceX rockets. We contemplate the price of progress vs. the piping plover. Plus, getting French elections shamelessly wrong, and a three-way 1950's Meet The Press-style conversion between Mike, journalist Eric Zorn of The Picayune Sentinel, and Tom Chittum, Senior Vice President of ShotSpotter, the audio detection technology that's been criticized for not providing police accurate enough information.
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10/07/24•47m 32s
Facing Faceblindness
Sadie Dingfelder (or at least someone of her general shape wearing the same outfit) is back to talk more about her research and her new book, Do I Know You?: A Faceblind Reporter’s Journey into the Science of Sight, Memory, and Imagination. Plus, the Alec Baldwin trial begins, and how the extremist MAGA Republican nominee for Governor in North Carolina didn't say the things he's alleged to have said.
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09/07/24•43m 41s
The AUKUS Caucus Can Be Raucous
The faceblind but otherwise incredibly observant Sadie Dingfelder drops by to discuss her new book, Do I Know You?: A Faceblind Reporter’s Journey into the Science of Sight, Memory, and Imagination. Plus, Joe Biden does well in interviews which seek to assure the Australian nuclear submarine enthusiast community. He also takes credit for some things he previously distanced himself from, and voters will have to decide if the content or the delivery of his arguments matter most. Also, the deal between Skydance and Paramount is a "national amusement" all its own.
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08/07/24•42m 9s
BEST OF THE GIST: Founding Fathers Day Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, a couple interviews from the vault in honor of Independence Day. First up, historian Gordon S. Wood explains why the friendship between founding fathers Thomas Jefferson and John Adams should give us hope. Then Mike talks about founding fathers’ thighs with Alexis Coe, author of You Never Forget Your First: A Biography of George Washington.
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06/07/24•35m 42s
Living Constitutionally Requires A Strong Constitution
Americans talk a big game about the U.S. Constitution and its role in guiding the nation for nearly 250 years, but few try to live strictly by the words of said document. AJ Jacobs is one of them. For a year, this patriot upheld the high values, carried a musket in public, and struggled against the oppression of Revolutionary era socks, and he is out with the book, The Year of Living Constitutionally: One Man's Humble Quest to Follow the Constitution's Original Meaning. Plus, Mike officially disses the Articles of Confederation.
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05/07/24•40m 43s
Spinning The Insidious
Phil Elwood was a marketer and strategist who helped the governments of Libya, Qatar, Nigeria, and not quite but almost Syria make their cases on the world stage. He was also involved in the Mueller probe, and had a toe touch with Cambridge Analytica. In other words, he's a fascinating, conflicted, but mostly contrite figure, and author of All the Worst Humans: How I Made News for Dictators, Tycoons, and Politicians. Plus, the overstuffed South African cabinet, and a pundit who loved Joe Biden's chances until she didn't.
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03/07/24•40m 31s
Cringing Oneself Out Of The Presidency
Donald Trump lies a lot, and his acolytes construct permission structures to excuse those lies. On the other hand, Joe Biden put forward a cringe-worthy performance, and his VP engaged in some BET Awards cringiness of her own. Voters are more likely to punish cringe. Plus, Phil Elwood put together PR and public policy campaigns for dictators and rogue states. It paid ok, but also, it almost destroyed him, as he chronicles in his new book, All the Worst Humans: How I Made News for Dictators, Tycoons, and Politicians.
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02/07/24•39m 4s
Donald Trump, Immune Buffoon
SCOTUS gives immunity to Presidents for official acts, and leaves it to lower courts to define (and maybe get overruled on) what constitutes "official acts." Plus, Sarah Isgur, of ABC and The Dispatch, is here again to break down a slew of other Supreme Court cases. Plus, a compendium of some of the most prominent voices arguing that concerns about Joe Biden's age were just Republican talking points, media both-sides-ism, the new Hillary emails, or something other than legitimate ... we're calling it, "How Did We Get Here?"
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01/07/24•46m 4s
BEST OF THE GIST: Mixed Signals Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, the remainder of Mike’s interview with Ben Smith and Nayeema Rasa, co-hosts of the new Semafor podcast Mixed Signals. Topics touched upon include (but are not limited to) naming a podcast, Vivek Ramaswamy, and the future of media. To hear part one of this interview, listen to our show from Wednesday, June 26, 2026.
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29/06/24•36m 9s
Must Joe Go?
Jospeh Robinette Biden did not cover himself in glory in last night's debate. As Democrats discuss changing horses midstream, The Gist analyses what went wrong besides the obvious mental discombobulations. Our guest is Sarah Isgur, ABC legal expert, Senior Editor at The Dispatch, and veteran campaign adviser including to Carly Fiorina, Ted Cruz, and Mitt Romney. Plus, we trace the circle of blame for Biden's potentially disastrous performance.
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28/06/24•45m 45s
The Bear, The Draft, The Debate
With big sporting, cultural, and political events occurring all at once, Mike offers a contemplation of the nature and purpose of speculation about things that are definitely going to happen one way or the other. Plus, Thomas Kail and Lior Ashkenazi are director and actor in the Hulu series We Were The Lucky Ones, the telling of a true story about a family's nearly impossible survival during the Holocaust. We discuss how this film lands differently after October 7th, the benefits and drawbacks of an all-Jewish cast, and how Israelis and Americans react differently toward movie Nazis.
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27/06/24•41m 37s
All The Editor's Mess
Ben Smith and Nayeema Raza, co-hosts of the Semaphor podcast Mixed Signals, discuss the turmoil at the Washington Post. Plus Jamal Bowman's Israel pronouncements were an important part, but hardly the only factor, in his political demise. And NGOs and the media should be scrupulously accurate about the deprivation and hunger in Gaza.
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26/06/24•44m 8s
Southlake
Mike Hixenbaugh is a Senior Investigative Reporter for NBC News and the co-creator of Southlake, a podcast that won a Peabody for spotlighting the tensions in an affluent Dallas suburb where factions battled for control of the school board in a campaign that mirrored what was happening on a national stage. He's now out with a book, They Came for the Schools: One Town's Fight Over Race and Identity, and the New Warfor America's Classrooms.
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25/06/24•48m 8s
Joe, Abe Dissimilar
Investor and climate activist Tom Steyer discusses his new book Cheaper, Faster, Better: How We’ll Win the Climate War and why running for president is an excellent megaphone. Plus, John Fetterman isn't so much trolling the Democratic party as just being his unvarnished hoodie-wearing self. And Joe Biden can't be that much like Abraham Lincoln even if he wanted to be, but the upcoming debate is a situation where he really shouldn't want to be.
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24/06/24•40m 43s
BEST OF THE GIST: Father And Son Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, Mike and his first-born son Milo appeared on the Smoke Em If You Got Em podcast this past week. The two Pescas discussed toxic masculinity with the show’s hosts Nancy Rommelmann and Sarah Hepola, and they graciously allowed us to play the interview in its near entirety on this weekend’s Best Of show. Enjoy.
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22/06/24•1h 16m
Warning: This Discussion Of Warnings Might Cause Googly Eye At Night
The Surgeon General proposes warning labels for social media; we ask, "Do warning labels even do anything?" Plus, Dispatch Editor-in-Chief Jonah Goldberg talks about the decimation of political parties, the decency to lie about your principles, the slogan "Democracy is on the Ballot”, and great TV theme song bass lines.
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21/06/24•52m 39s
Tricking Spotify Into Getting Weird
Glenn McDonald is a streaming music pioneer who worked for years for Spotify. He's out with a new book, You Have Not Yet Heard Your Favorite Song: How Streaming Changes Music. Also, DeSantis and Disney get un-Frozen. Plus, assessing a challenge to New York Congressman Jamal Bowman on an issue other than Israel.
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20/06/24•41m 47s
The Politics Of Holidays
On the show today, with Juneteenth coming up tomorrow, we take a look at some dubious holidays in a couple southern states. And in our full show interview this week, Mike talks with John Ganz, author of When The Clock Broke about those crazy 1990s and the birth of modern conservatism. A note to listeners: no-show tomorrow in honor of the holiday. Will be back live on Thursday. Have a great day off.
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18/06/24•44m 14s
Birds Aren't Real (SHHH ... Don't tell the Crested Warbler)
Peter McIndoe is the founder of the Birds Aren't Real movement-slash-conspiracy theory. He is also the author of the book, Birds Aren't Real: The True Story of Mass Avian Murder and the Largest Surveillance Campaign in U.S. History. Peter doesn’t believe any of that, by the way, but has good insights on the type of people who do. Plus, Biden will probably win the debate. And how public access to subway brakes, the inability to license a pot store, and a 30-year-old San Fransisco "shanty town" clearance offer lessons in can-do (and can't-do) governance.
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17/06/24•42m 59s
BEST OF THE GIST: SCOTUS Gone Wild Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, a recent and a slightly less recent segment about the Supreme Court and their ethics … or lack thereof. From this past week, Mrs. Alito spits fire, and … uh … spit. And from April 2023, Clarence Thomas and his … uh … benefactor.
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15/06/24•22m 3s
Strom Thurmond Cost Him An Apartment From The Grave
Yusuf Dahl is founder of the Real Estate Lab in Allentown, Pennsylvania and Director for Innovation and Entrepreneurship at Lafayette College. He was also sentenced to ten years for dealing drugs at the age of eighteen. To this day, he can still be legally discriminated against in the housing market, which he recently discovered when attempting to rent a home. We speak about his fight to overturn this measure. Plus, 25 years ago the Santana song "Smooth" went to #1. Would you believe It was the last Billboard #1 single to feature a guitar solo?
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14/06/24•42m 31s
Gaza And Other Sieges
The war in Gaza is a type of siege warfare, which is a topic that's been extensively studied by Amos C. Fox. Fox is a retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel who hosts the Revolution in Military Affairs podcast as well as the War On The Rocks podcast. Plus, even the slight discrepancy in numbers in Elon Musk's pay package is so enormous as to confound and dazzle.
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13/06/24•47m 1s
Flooding the Dumb Zone
Dallas sports talk hosts Dan McDowell and Jake Kemp left their station and started a podcast, The Dumb Zone, and, in doing so, they became something of a test case (or maybe "poster guys") for the new Federal Trade Commission rule banning noncompete clauses. The fight for sports talk freedom and Luca Donic discussions ensue. Plus, Joey Chestnut shut up and shut out of Nathan's. And what New York's last minute fold on congestion pricing says about toughness.
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12/06/24•40m 40s
Mrs. Alito's Secret Vergogna
A political operative secretly recorded conversations with Justice Samuel Alito, wherein he said nothing much different than he's said before ... or that any reasonable person would say. His wife seems angry, though. Plus, Eric Weiner chats about his latest book, this one about Ben Franklin, Ben & Me: In Search of a Founder's Formula for a Long and Useful Life. And also on the show, will voters pick the father of the felon or the felon, and can they possibly understand the difference?
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11/06/24•41m 56s
We Just Haven't Been Flapping Them Hard Enough
We looked at the title of Lawrence Wood's new book, Your Caption Has Been Selected: More Than Anyone Could Possibly Want to Know About The New Yorker Cartoon Caption Contest, and we decided the subtitle was not to be taken literally. Mr. Wood hereby submits to further caption contest questioning. Plus, Doug Burgam on the VP short list (and the bank statement long list). And the rescue of four Israeli hostages sets off recrimination over the cost in enemy and civilian lives.
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10/06/24•42m 8s
BEST OF THE GIST: D-Day Anniversary Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, in honor of the 80th anniversary of the D-Day invasion this past week, we rewind nearly10 years back to August 2014 and Mike’s interview with Ron Rosenbaum, author of Explaining Hitler: The Search for the Origins of His Evil. We also listen back to Mike’s Wednesday Spiel about the true meaning of … “intifada.” Did you think we were going to say, “Christmas”?
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08/06/24•35m 0s
Why We Can't Have Nice Vexillogical Things
Ted Kaye, Secretary of the North American Vexillogical Association is back to talk flags, sedition, Sam Alito, and reclamation. Plus, the war in Sudan is, by some measures, the worst in the world. And Mike either suggests a proper epitaph for American society or offers some fun ways to spice up the dreary old summer time guacamole recipe. The answer is lime juice, people!
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07/06/24•40m 10s
October 7 Rape Denialism
We discuss with Michael A Cohen his story in The Atlantic "The Rape Denialists: Why has it proved so hard for so many on the left to acknowledge what happened on October 7?" Plus, the conviction of Baltimore Democratic politician and prosecutor rebuts a central premise of the claims of lawfare against Donald Trump.
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06/06/24•54m 39s
Intifada Revolution? Or is that a linguistic delusion?
NPR issues a balanced, even-handed yet wholly misleading report on what chants of "intifada" really mean. Plus, Bree Davies and Paul Karoli are the cohosts and chroniclers of the title character of the new podcast, Lauren Boebert Can't Lose. And when it comes to both fire safety and Joe Biden's dynamism ... CLOSE THE DOOR!
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05/06/24•41m 40s
The Gov Who Cried Wolf, Then Shot It
Montana Governor Greg Gianforte shot a trapped wolf, then he pressured state workers to blame his wolf-loathing pal. But that's not even the weird part. Plus, Harvard becomes the second prominent Massachusetts school to eliminate DEI statements as a requirement for hiring, Tyler Austin Harper is back to discuss these statements and more. And colleges love to brag about their past activism, even if the cause that brought the protesters to the quad was a hoax.
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04/06/24•43m 55s
The Selective Invocation Of Safety
Tyler Austin Harper is a Bard professor and Atlantic feature writer, and he drops by to discuss the themes and implications of his recent story, "America’s Colleges Are Reaping What They Sowed.” Plus, A Jew and an Italian walk into a G20 summit. And in the Spiel, we analyze that time Trump got literally crucified, though not "literally" or "crucified."
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03/06/24•41m 40s
BEST OF THE GIST: Quail And Panda Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, Mike’s June 2016 Spiel about … yes … quail. We also listen back to Wednesday’s panda spiel.
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01/06/24•24m 32s
The Travesty Of A Mockery Of A Sham Of Trump's Denials
The trial of Donald Trump was not rigged. That is a piece of disinformation. But those who believe it was might not think it was literally rigged, they might just have the sense that Trump is unfairly victimized in general, and the accusation of rigging more or less fits into the claim of "rigged." It's called a "symbolic belief," and, New Yorker writer and anthropologist, Manvir Singh says that's different from a factual belief. In the Spiel, I talk about all the misinformation flooding into my consciousness, which doesn't originate in Russia or from Trump's statements on Truth Social, but sews doubt just the same.
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31/05/24•47m 38s
North Korean Poop Balloons
And in other news, Donald Trump has been found guilty on all 34 counts in his hush money case. Plus, yes, North Korea has in fact been hitting their southern rivals with doody dirigibles, turd zeppelins, poop balloons. Plus, Abigail Shrier joins us to talk about her latest book Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up, which takes on the challenge of the mental health crisis amongst American youth. Shrier does not exactly hand out participation trophies for how we've all handled it.
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30/05/24•31m 46s
That Time Alito's Wife Spat At Me
Justice Samuel Alito is an icon of conservative jurisprudence, a shaper of American laws, and a really challenging neighbor. Mike takes those cues and creates some improvisational theater. Then we pick up where we left off yesterday with Washington Post columnist and novelist David Ignatius. With his help, we're going to drill down on what exactly is going on in Gaza. And also on the show, China will be returning the Pandas we returned to them. We FedEx'd them ... will China DHL them back?
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29/05/24•42m 12s
Space Nukes And Ukraine's Troops
David Ignatius, WaPo columnist and the author of Phantom Orbit: A Thriller discusses his reportorial tactics, and how he blends fact and fiction in writing his latest thrillers about weapons in space. Plus, there were 350,000 polio cases in 1988. Guess how many there were last year. So many pundits are saying that the Trump verdict will be what they've been predicting all along. The role of "priors" in on-air legal analysis.
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28/05/24•38m 27s
Memorial Day- I Might Be Wrong
On this Memorial Day we share an interview with Mike who was recently a guest on Jeff Maurer's Podcast "I Might Be Wrong".
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27/05/24•1h 5m
BEST OF THE GIST: Endless Shrimp Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we travel back to January 2019 to remember the clash between the rowdy teens of Covington Catholic and the stoic drumming of Native American activist Nathan Phillips. We also travel to this past Tuesday to reminisce about the days of peak shrimp.
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25/05/24•22m 29s
Not ALL Things Considered
NPR was not particularly receptive to the critiques put forth by former Senior Editor Uri Berliner. In a full-show interview on today's show, Berliner makes the case that NPR has become too ideologically rigid, and he spells out some solutions, which do not include government defunding. Plus, when peanut butter cups purport to be specific shapes, but just look like undifferentiated blobs, how many millions is the damage worth?
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24/05/24•44m 39s
Overruled On Appeal To Heaven
Justice Samuel Alito has been found to have flown another flag favored by some of the January 6th insurrections. Maybe it's time for a preeminent and powerful jurist to do more than channel Borat in saying, "My Wiiiiife." And we're joined by former NPR and MSNBC host Joshua Johnson to diagnose the critiques of public radio. Johnson is a veteran of (and a huge believer in) NPR, and he rebuts most of the criticism put forth by tomorrow's guest, Uri Berliner.
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23/05/24•49m 59s
The Right Side Of The Left Side Of History
Nellie Bowles, reporter and head of strategy for the Free Press is out with book titled Morning After the Revolution: Dispatches from the Wrong Side of History. The New York Times, where Bowles worked for five years titled its review, "Skewering Leftist Excess With Mockery and Sneers" … as if that were an ignoble thing. On The Gist, Nellie layers the nuance and self-reflection on top of the mockery that she, quite honestly, is very good at. Plus, a Palestinian State is recognized by the 4th, 17th, and 19th largest countries in Europe; dramatic predictions ensue.
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22/05/24•42m 30s
De-Veining The End Of Endless Shrimp
Red Lobster, trapped in its own promotion, unable to claw back profits, has jumbo problems over endless shrimp. Plus, Trump speaks about FDR to the NRA, and possibly endorses blatant constitutional violations ... but maybe not? And we're joined by UCLA professor and MacArthur Genius grant recipient Jason De Leon to discuss his book, Soldiers and Kings: Survival and Hope in the World of Human Smuggling.
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21/05/24•35m 9s
Vexed And Illogical But Vexillological
A Supreme Court spouse (hereafter "Mrs. Alito") hangs a flag upside down. Accusation of traitorousness ensure. Plus, a unionization vote fails in Alabama, or did it really just pre-succeed? And hundreds of years ago we didn't have GPS, Hinge, Tiles, trackers, or asprin, but we did have magic, as practiced by Cunning Folk. We're joined by Tabitha Stanmore the author of Cunning Folk: Life in the Era of Practical Magic.
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20/05/24•39m 59s
BEST OF THE GIST: Wide Right Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, Mike’s recent appearance on the House Of Strauss podcast, in which he and Host Ethan Strauss discuss Harrison Butker’s recent commencement address, which would have gone over without a hitch in 1894, but alas, it was delivered in 2024. Harrison is the placekicker of the Kansas City Chiefs, and his remarks drew fire from just about everywhere.
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18/05/24•43m 0s
Arizona Abortions Laws Are Highly Subject To Change
Mary Jo Pitzl covers politics for the Arizona Republic, meaning she's steeped in where the state stands on abortion law. Plus, Harrison Butker's spiritual advisor has some odd thoughts on the digestive systems of all working women. Also, a food fight turned sh*t show in the House Oversight Committee.
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17/05/24•39m 17s
Who's Your Daddy?
Journalist Matt Katz's father was barely in his life, and when he was, it was fairly unpleasant for Matt. Then a genetics test tore up Matt's script. That deadbeat dad might have been a deadbeat, but he didn't seem to actually be his dad. Who was? His nine-part podcast Inconceivable Truth details the journey to find out. Also, the cold, hard facts about Cold Lava. Plus, the Obi Wan argument on college campuses and in Gaza.
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16/05/24•44m 27s
Retirement: A Decreasingly Septuagenarian Phenomenon
Economist Allison Schrager, Bloomberg columnist and author of An Economist Walks into a Brothel: And Other Unexpected Places to Understand Risk, makes the case for working well into your 70s. And even if you think the case is "poor," that's exactly what you'll be if you opt out of the workforce at 62. Plus, a French gangster known as La Mouche, or "The Fly," shoots his way to freedom as the French fret about the Olympics.
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15/05/24•45m 5s
You Gotta Eat The Bug
A cicada invasion dawns, and edible bugs are all the, if not rage, then opportunity for a quirk filled cooking segment. Plus, protesters at Harvard negotiate their way out of trouble, whereas their Princeton counterparts are redefining hunger, or at least "hunger strike". And we are joined by Wall Street Journal columnist and India expert Sadanand Dhume to discuss Narendra Modi and the world's most sprawling election.
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14/05/24•41m 48s
Michael Cohen, Forma' Fixa'
A glimpse into the Trump Trial, where a sleepy former President is somehow more compelling than hush money, off-the-book payments, and getting stiffed on your bonus. Plus, life expectancy by race complicates the narrative of "white supremacy." And we're joined by Sarah McCammon, National Political Correspondent at NPR and author of The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church.
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13/05/24•43m 39s
BEST OF THE GIST: Pulitzer Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, Mike’s December 5, 2023 interview with author, journalist, and former director of the International Crisis Group’s Arab-Israeli Project, Nathan Thrall. Nathan won the Pulitzer Prize this past week for his most recent book, A Day in the Life of Abed Salama: Anatomy of a Jerusalem Tragedy.
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11/05/24•43m 24s
A Drug That Kills Drink's Thrills With Andy Mills
Andy Mills and Matthew Boll are out with a new podcast Reflector. Now available. Episode 1 concerns Naltrexone, a drug that actually works to stop alcohol cravings, and yet 12-Step programs are much more popular, despite being much less effective. We are joined by Andy to also talk about media capture and the great podcast fake enthusiasm epidemic.
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10/05/24•41m 24s
One Cop's Questionable Confessions
Steve Fishman is the host and executive producer of The Burden, a podcast which focuses on the string of iffy convictions attained thanks to the police work of a high-flying Brooklyn cop in the 1990s. Plus, balloon releases and issues of cultural insensitivity. And of all of Donald Trump's positions over the years, "missionary" might be the least objectionable.
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09/05/24•39m 26s
A Half-Baked Full-Blown Famine Assessment
Cindy McCain says there's a "full-blown famine" going on in Gaza. The agency she heads at the UN does not agree. Plus, a House of Representatives hearing into NPR bias was skipped by NPR's CEO and not even covered on CPSPAN, but it did feature a House Republican saying he likes his NPR station, a House Democrat saying maybe NPR really should consider the allegations of bias. And we're joined once more to talk Paul Manafort and other fans of sumptuous fabrics with Brody Mullins, author of The Wolves of K Street: The Secret History of How Big Money Took Over Big Government.
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08/05/24•41m 32s
Lobbyists As Apex Predators
The Wolves Of K Street: The Secret History of How Big Money Took Over Big Government is a new book detailing how the influence business took root and metastasized in federal politics. Co-author and Wall Street Journal Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Brody Mullins discusses. Plus, President Biden decries anti-semitism as he stands by Israel as it begins the Rafah phase of the war. And we hear from Nibbles, an overlooked participant in the Kristi Noem quadruped killing spree.
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07/05/24•36m 49s
Objectivity And Other Obsolescent Ideals
The New York Times Executive Editor proclaims the paper to not be in the business of defeating Trump. Howls of outrage ensue. Plus, Donald Trump seems fine with fines. And in a talk with Danielle Clode, author of Koala: A Natural History and an Uncertain Future, we rehabilitate the reputation of the supposedly dim, diseased antipodal cuties.
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06/05/24•39m 15s
For Your Consideration: No Small Endeavor
Infrequently, we offer listeners a taste of something we think you may like that isn’t from our kitchen, to torture the metaphor. Such is the case today. You may think you know Malcolm Gladwell. He is, after all, the New York Times bestselling author of Outliers, The Tipping Point, Blink, and other books. He’s also the host of the podcast Revisionist History, and it’s true that his work is heralded and his opinion asked by many folks on a wide array of issues.
But what makes Gladwell so different that he has become one of the most successful journalists of our day? In this episode of the acclaimed podcast No Small Endeavor, Malcolm tells his own story, from receiving endorsement from his mother to cut class, to attending a Mennonite barn-raising with his mathematician father, to spending three days a week in Freudian therapy as a young adult.
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05/05/24•50m 53s
BEST OF THE GIST: Criticizing NPR on NPR Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, a break from our typical format for the weekend. Today we’ll listen to Mike’s recent appearance on WILL, which is Illinois Public Media. He was invited to sit on a panel to discuss if NPR is biased. Mike is just one voice of several in the conversation you will hear (which gets a bit heated in a few spots), but it was an excellent discussion and one we hope you’ll enjoy.
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04/05/24•57m 34s
Posturing over Protests and Protesting over Posture
For decades, bad posture was seen as everything from a moral failing, to a health risk, to a military vulnerability. In her new book, Slouch: Posture Panic in Modern America, University of Pennsylvania historian of medicine Beth Linker discusses how concerns over standing up straight touches eugenics, pseudo-science, and power posing. Plus, Columbia University students inveigh against presumed exclusionary practices at a proposed Tel Aviv campus while supporting a campus in Beijing schooling more Chinese students than any other college. And Chris Hayes of MSNBC argues we've all been paying too much attention to college protests.
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03/05/24•44m 1s
Does $61 Billion For Ukraine Come Too Late?
Charles Kupchan, Georgetown Professor and former Obama National Security official, says that the funding for Ukraine is necessary for the desperate country but probably won't lead to retaking much territory controlled by Russia. He also says, the money will stabilize the country which is exactly what is needed for a true peace process to occur. Plus, Kristi Noem crashes in the polls ... expert's say. And an Arizona senator bucks her party on abortion.
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02/05/24•43m 15s
Cops On A Campus, Chaos On Another
The pro-Palestinian encampment at UCLA is attacked, and the police are no where to be found. A pro-Palestinian building takeover is thwarted at Columbia, and the police are found at fault. Plus, more uncomfortable conversations with a Jew and a former NFL linebacker.
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01/05/24•44m 59s
Divulge, Divest, Surely You Chant In Jest
Analyzing what the campus divestment movement is really asking for. Is it doable? It is. It is advisable? It isn't. What effect will it have on the war in Gaza? None. Let's riot. Plus, Donald Trump is found guilty of a criminal offense. The experts say this could have little to no effect on his election chances ... Mike thinks otherwise. And Noa Tishby and Emmanuel Acho engage in Uncomfortable Conversations With A Jew.
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30/04/24•43m 3s
The Dog Days Of American Politics
Kristi Noem, the Republican Governor of South Dakota, is out defending her shooting of her dog, which has us wondering why she brought it up in the first place. Today on the show, an extended interview with Becca Rothfeld, the non-fiction book critic for the Washington Post and author of the new book, All Things Are Too Small: Essays in Praise of Excess.
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29/04/24•42m 14s
BEST OF THE GIST: Harvey, Tossed Edition … Gross
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, a jumbo archival interview (originally a two-parter, combined to one) with Prison Consultant Craig Rothfeld, who also happens to be a childhood friend of Mike’s. Rothfeld prepares soon-to-be inmates on the rules and survival techniques of prison life, because, as you might imagine, he himself once did time. In this capacity, Rothfeld was once employed by Harvey Weinstein, whose New York rape conviction was tossed out by an appeals court this week. Then we will listen back to Mike’s April 25, 2024 Spiel addressing the Weinstein ruling.
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27/04/24•59m 18s
Bezos Uber Alles
Dana Mattioli is the Wall Street Journal's "Amazon Reporter," and author The Everything War: Amazon’s Ruthless Quest to Own the World and Remake Corporate Power. Plus, Harvey Weinstein's overturned conviction is portrayed as a defeat of the reality of rape prosecutions. Mike argues that we actually don't have to choose between justice for sexual assault victims and giving criminal defendants the full protections of the law.
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26/04/24•49m 57s
The Caucasian Perquisite
In Tracie McMillan's new book, The White Bonus: Five Families and the Cash Value of Racism in America, the author documents the lives and experiences of a handful of white Americans, including herself, and then attempts to quantify their racial benefit. Plus, Harvey Weinstein's NY State conviction is thrown out—a history and analysis of the Sandoval ruling.
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25/04/24•44m 46s
What's Eating Uncle Bosie?
Joe Biden's uncle mostly likely wasn't eaten by cannibals, but he could have been, which is more than some members of the public can swallow. Germany resumes UNRWA funding after a UN investigation. And a legal breakdown with Tyler McBrien, managing editor of Lawfare, who has a seat inside the courtroom for the Trump trial into hush money payments and election fraud. McBrien details the judge's upbraiding of defense council and lays out what exactly the jury will have to wade through in order to render a verdict.
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24/04/24•41m 6s
Immigration: A Story Both Inspiring And Whack
Ray Suarez is here to talk history, policy, and personal journeys as he discusses his book, “WE ARE HOME: Becoming American in the 21st Century: An Oral History.” Plus, Binghamton NY's "Smoke Outside the Binghamton Police Station” does not go particularly well for all those who actually smoked outside the Binghamton Police Station.
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23/04/24•42m 52s
When "Anti-Zionism" Is A Get Out Of "Antisemitism" Free Card
College campuses are spoiled by protests, the White House calls out antisemitism, but the NYPD says the soon-to-be-expelled students were perfectly nice. Not nice are calls for 10,000 more October 7ths. But there's a difference between "not nice" and "not acceptable." On the show today, Mike plumbs the difference and explains when anti-zionism really is antisemitic. Plus, the Dems should bail out Mike Johnson. And we're joined once more by Damon Linker to talk politics and shrubbery.
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22/04/24•45m 8s
BEST OF THE GIST: NPR CEO OMG Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, the first half of our interview with Damon Linker, author of the Notes From The Middleground Substack about his recent Guest Essay for the Opinion page of The New York Times titled, "Why Is Biden Struggling? Because America Is Broken." Then we listen back to Mike’s analysis of NPR’s choice of its new CEO, Katherine Maher.
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20/04/24•37m 42s
Saving NPR
Today a special show, wherein Mike discusses former NPR editor Uri Berliner's critique of the network he no longer works for, including claims about Berliner's veracity and validity.
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19/04/24•34m 24s
Gold Heist, Foiled
Canadian police are making arrests in the 2023 theft of $14 million of gold from an Air Canada flight. The criminals weapon of choice? Guns? Dynamite? How about fraudulent bills of lading for scrod? Also on the show, Max Stearns is the author of the new book Parliamentary America: The Least Radical Means of Radically Repairing Our Broken Democracy. We will discuss the needed repairs.
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18/04/24•49m 24s
Family Guy Guy Guides Us Through Danger
Evan Waite, writer for Family Guy and The Onion, discusses his career, theories of comedy, and his new book, Life Wants You Dead: A Calm, Rational, and Totally Legit Guide to Scaring Yourself Safe. Plus, why can't Ukraine have the defenses that Israel has? And a new NPR CEO critiques truth.
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17/04/24•43m 24s
Getting Aid to Gaza
Arwa Damon, recently back from Gaza, is a former CNN International Correspondent who has transitioned to relief work. Her organization is INARA, the International Network for Aid, Relief & Assistance. She discusses the situation in Gaza, how opaque Israeli inspection protocols delay aid, how the killings of World Central Kitchen workers complicated the job of relief workers, and how Gaza compares to other war zones she's covered. ln the Spiel, we can now declare that murder is down, even if we've been falsely declaring it for some time now. And Donald Trump loves comparing himself to Al Capone.
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16/04/24•44m 54s
Bond, Trump Bond
On the show today, an Iranian attack repelled. And, in a full-show interview, Will Thomas, assistant professor of law at the University of Michigan, joins to talk about Trumps recent bond hearing and explains the process behind the bond and how people go about paying it.
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15/04/24•49m 21s
BEST OF THE GIST: The Juice, Squeezed Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, listen to Mike’s show opener this past Thursday about the death of O.J. Simpson. Then we listen back to our December 6, 2016 interview with Ezra Edelman, whose documentary O.J.: Made In America, explored Simpson’s life. It won the Oscar for Best Documentary at the 2016 Academy Awards.
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13/04/24•25m 18s
Delicious Chicken 'n' Mice
Robert Kenner and Melissa Robledo are the eco-directors of Food Inc 2, which raises questions about how American agribusinesses have an unhealthy relationship with politicians, communities, and our bodies. Plus, the beatings out of Chechnya will continue ... within strict BPM limits. And part two of our look at On The Media's featherbed of a segment on UNRWA and Israel.
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12/04/24•43m 55s
Pour Some Sugar On The Man In The Mirror O' Mine
Chris Molanphy drops by to count down the hits of 1988, a time when we weren't worried, we were happy, and we were making the transition from the exiting of dreams and the entering of cars. Also, in 1988 OJ Simpson was in a new movie called The Naked Gun. Today, OJ Simpson, football great, and adjudicated killer of two people is dead. We can say that and be factual. Plus, an On The Media segment on UNRWA leaves out a bit of context, namely a single inculpatory fact about UNRWA's members involvement in October 7th, or support of Hamas.
Link to Episodes mentioned in Spiel:
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What Matters Now to Haviv Rettig Gur: UNRWA's problem isn't the terrorists in its ranks
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11/04/24•43m 51s
Florida, Abortion, and Trump
The Bulwark's Marc Caputo says Florida's six-week limit on abortion is vulnerable, but not certain, to go down via popular referendum. Even so, Donald Trump has such a huge advantage in the state he's unlikely to suffer from its presence on the ballot. Caputo also says Trump's strategic ambiguity, or even avoidance, of the issue will probably work, based on the general Trump unaccountability theory. Plus, the Tik Tok Taoiseach. And also, what's a "Taoiseach?"
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10/04/24•41m 36s
Arizona's 1864 Abortion Law Stands
The Arizona Supreme Court has banned almost all abortions in the state, deferring to a law written in 1864. Also on the show, a brief history of Ecuador and embassies. Plus, the continuation of our interview with Keith Humphreys, Stanford Professor and co-author of the Atlantic story, "Why Oregon’s Drug Decriminalization Failed."
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09/04/24•32m 16s
Oregon Drug Debacle
Keith Humphreys, Stanford Professor and author of Addiction: A Very Short Introduction, talks about the of failure of a local Oregon ordinance he was called in to offer expertise about. We discuss his Atlantic story, "Why Oregon’s Drug Decriminalization Failed." Plus, the path of totality, and dealing with Hamas over hostages.
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08/04/24•32m 22s
BEST OF THE GIST: Podcast Implosion Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, Mike’s Thursday Spiel about the carnage at NPR and the reason for it. Then we listen back to part of Mike’s January conversation with Jeremy Hobson, host of The Middle and long-time public radio personality, about what’s going wrong at NPR. This part of the interview with Jeremy was formerly a PescaPlus extra.
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06/04/24•44m 22s
Remembering The Repressed Memory Movement
Jena Martin is a pathologist by day who has produced a six-part podcast series looking back at the recovered memory movement of the late 1980s and early 90s. Everyone was having them, were any real? Plus, a partial traipsing down the path of totality in advance of Monday's eclipse.
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05/04/24•41m 3s
Public Radio Podcast Pounded
Another round of bloodletting in the world of podcasting and public radio. NPR listenership is down 15-20%, and the excuses the industry is relying on wither, don't apply, or are flat out wrong. Mike offers a path to course correction that he doubts his old colleagues will take. But one public broadcaster is crushing it ... the BBC. Could this be because Mike is prominently featured in Episode 3 of Helen Lewis Has Left The Chat? And we're joined by Emily Blout, author of Media and Power in Modern Iran to talk about her recent article, "The Disturbing Rise of Strategic Antisemitism."
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04/04/24•47m 26s
Trump Is Their Barbarian
Atlantic Staff writer Tim Alberta, author of The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism says many Christians support Donald Trump because they are forgiving, and specifically because he isn't. Plus, the President of Argentina assails the anatomical properties of his hemispheric peers.
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03/04/24•46m 28s
Barge Bilge
U.S. leaders put Netanyahu on notice. And is it worth knowing about all the stupid Francis Scott Key Bridge conspiracy theories? Plus, CNN's Jim Sciutto analyses Donald Trump's many mixed feelings towards NATO, and tries to divide the tough talk from the actual courses of action.
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02/04/24•43m 5s
Real Rolexes, Fake Story
CNN's Jim Sciutto comes by to discuss his new book, The Return of Great Powers: Russia, China, and the Next World War. Plus, the Women's NCAA tournament draws the wrong court, and an April Fools game asks you to spot the fake Rolex.
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01/04/24•35m 59s
BEST OF THE GIST: March Madness
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, the rise of women’s college basketball knows no (re)bounds, and yet somehow has still been overstated. We also listen back to his 2018 interview with Barbara Lipska, whose career as a neuroscientist did not prepare her to identify the dark effects of her own brain tumors diagnosed in 2015. There’s studying a damaged brain, and then there’s having one. Lipska is the author of The Neuroscientist Who Lost Her Mind: My Tale of Madness and Recovery.
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30/03/24•26m 46s
Can We Wait To Take The Economic Loss On Weight Loss
The Miracle Weight-Loss Drugs would radically transform the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans. Hundreds of millions. So maybe the Government should foster this human flourishing. There's always a cost. Jonathan Gruber Chairman of the Economics Department at MIT discuss his New York Times opinion piece about how drugs like Ozempic can be afforded. Plus, the My Pillow fellow loses his lease, if not his moxie.
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29/03/24•45m 50s
Our Politicians Far More Extreme Than Our People
We're joined by Anthony Fowler Professor of political science in the Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago where he researches political polarization and the credibility of empirical research. He is also the host Not Another Politics Podcast. Plus, the totally wasteful process of processing g plastic waste. And Trump happens to be rich. Sadly enough.
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28/03/24•41m 52s
Genocide, Famine. Nursery Rhymes
We're joined by David Simon Assistant Dean for Graduate Education, Senior Lecturer in Global Affairs and Director of the Genocide Studies Program at Yale University. Simon explains that what’s going on in Gaza is not a genocide and offers analysis as to why the charge has become ubiquitous. Plus, RFK Jr's new vice president once, apparently, was married to some rich guy. It’s hard to know how important that part of her bio is. And Mike offers some anguished thoughts about the fighting and the famine in Gaza.
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27/03/24•45m 49s
Atomic Habits
Annie Jacobsen. author of Nuclear War: A Scenario takes us through what would really happen if an enemy of the U.S. fired the first missile in a nuclear exchange. Plus, more MSNBC Rona reax, and the rise of women’s college basketball knows no (re)bounds, and yet somehow has still been overstated.
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26/03/24•38m 23s
Running Out Ronna
A staff revolt at NBC protests the network’s move to hire former RNC head Ronna McDaniel. Plus, Trump wins in court, and those who are committed to a narrative of his penury are aggrieved. And we're joined by Whitney Downard of the Indiana Capital Chronicle, to discuss a social service funding and forecasting debacle that puts the families of the severely disabled in a bind.
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25/03/24•37m 20s
BEST OF THE GIST: Tradition! Vacation! Edition!
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, Mike goes on vacation and comes nose to nose with tradition. We also listen back to his 2016 interview with actor Michael C. Bernardi, who played Mordcha the Innkeeper in Fiddler On The Roof, which was then on Broadway. His father, Herschel Bernardi, was the third man to play Tevye in the musical.
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23/03/24•31m 26s
A Cancer On Royal Rumors
Kate Middleton's sad announcement about her health should prompt self examination, not only from the rumor mongers, but the audience, too. And how Donald Trump's $500-million bond bill will effect the little guy, according to Fox legal experts. Plus, we're joined once more by Ken Bensinger to talk about his new podcast, Chameleon: The Michigan Plot, and to answer the question, "Does the public have an accurate assessment of how real the plot was?"
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22/03/24•44m 15s
The Gang That Couldn't Kidnap Straight
Ken Bensinger is co-host of Chameleon: The Michigan Plot, which details the trials of militia members who sought to (or at least talked a lot about) kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. There were, at times, more government informants and undercover officials than bonafide ill-intentioned militia members driving the plot, which was more aspirational than operational. And, speaking of hot air, we talk helium, medical devices, and smuggled coolant in "Gas News." And who, day and night, must scramble for a living? The podcasters! THE PODCASTERS! Tradition!
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21/03/24•42m 30s
CRIME WEEK: Shoplifting And Murder, In That Order
If you believe the news, shoplifting is many things: “on the rise,” “a scourge,” and “way up.” The thing is … is it really? In truth, it’s very hard to know, because the variables are myriad. We discuss this conundrum with Adam Gelb, President and CEO of Council on Criminal Justice, a non-partisan think tank, and a pretty darn knowledgeable person on the topic. Then we pivot to tackle the role prison and parole play in our criminal justice system. We talk with Ben Austen, author of Correction: Parole, Prison, and the Possibility of Change. Ben is joined by Johnny “Khalif” Veal, who was convicted of murder in 1970 and paroled in 2021, a man who says prison changed him in all types of ways.
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21/03/24•47m 9s
CRIME WEEK: Charging Countries With "Genocide"
On day two of Crime Week on The Gist, we change our focus from individual crimes in the U.S. to the crimes of nations and the effectiveness of international courts at punishing countries for doing wrong. We are joined for the whole show by Kenneth Anderson, Professor of Law at American University's Washington College of Law, where he focuses a lot of his energies on the law of war.
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19/03/24•39m 44s
CRIME WEEK: Using Data To Predict Crime
Crime is a major factor in how our society acts, votes, and perceives the world. So you would think statistics about it would flow like a vast river of knowledge. And in so thinking, you would be wrong. Trustworthy data on criminal activity and its victims is strangely hard to come by. So, to kick off Crime Week on The Gist, we will be devoting a full show to parsing the numbers we do have with Jeff Asher, the co-founder of AH Datalytics, where he is the resident guru about crime data. He is also the author of the Jeff-alytics Substack.
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18/03/24•43m 13s
BEST OF THE GIST: “Photographic” Memory Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, this past Wednesday, Mike used The Spiel to rebut a Joy Reid segment mischaracterizing Robert Hur's testimony before the House Judiciary committee. We listen back. Then we listen way back to a September 2018 Spiel about Brett Kavanaugh’s hearing to join the Supreme Court, which had parallels to Hur’s testimony.
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16/03/24•34m 48s
Jake Tapper On Political Scandal
Host of CNN's State Of The Union, Jake Tapper joins us to discuss his new CNN series United States Of Scandal, which includes the unethical behavior of Rod Blagojevich, Mark Sanford, John Edwards, and more. Plus, the Fani Willis case against Trump can continue if she or special prosecutor Wade remove themselves. And ... its an Antwentig. Are you ready for the truth?
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15/03/24•40m 38s
Gerald Ford Sees His Reflection In The Snow-Covered Hills
Landslide, a new podcast from producer and host Ben Bradford tells the story of the 1976 Presidential race, which was seminal in the invention of modern conservatism. It’s a well rendered, compelling history that resonates with the present. Plus, what's worse, a disaster or a catastrophe? And Pod Save America joins in the misreporting on Joe Biden's memory.
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14/03/24•45m 23s
Biden's Remembers Photographs, Doesn't Have Photographic Memory
Rebutting a Joy Reid segment mischaracterizing Robert Hur's testimony before the House Judiciary committee yesterday. Plus, Aaron Rodgers is a frustrating teammate, would he make a good running mate? And we talk to Quico Toro about how the Global South will be where the true costs of climate change are felt.
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13/03/24•43m 45s
Terrible Leaders And Horrible Followers
We talk to Barbara Kellerman, author of Leadership from Bad to Worse: What Happens When Bad Festers. She argues that you can't blame Adam Neumann for all of We Works crash, just as not all of Xi Jinging's excesses are on Xi. Plus, recently resigned Special Counsel Robert Hur testifies before Congress. He does pretty well. Few others on the Judiciary can say the same.
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12/03/24•42m 23s
Matt Gaetz Temps Fate
Matt Gaetz is both a force of nature and a force for chaos. Dexter FIlkins of The New Yorker profiled his upbringing and ongoing potency in national politics. Plus, Nancy Mace will not be shamed by George Stephanopoulos and Katie Britt can't believe you thought she meant what she very clearly wanted you to think she meant.
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11/03/24•40m 52s
BEST OF THE GIST: Unusual Protest Methods Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, a podcast extra from our Thursday conversation with Sir David King, formerly the UK's Government Chief Scientific Adviser, who is now the Founder and Chair at Cambridge's Center for Climate Repair. Mike just had to ask him about climate activists who glue themselves to pieces of famous art. Then we listen back to our 2019 interview with writer Katy Lederer about Greta Thunberg, an activist unlike any we had seen before. Never glued herself, though.
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09/03/24•26m 3s
Anatomy Of A Barbenmaestro Of The Flower Moon
Its Oscar talk with Decoding Everything and Filmcast's David Chen. Why Mike thought Maestro hit sour notes ... and why David thought the structure of Oppenheimer was more stamped from a hard plastic mold than Barbie. American Fiction was the rare non-farcical satire, and Past Lives articulated a heretofore unexamined but familiar emotional ambivalence. Plus, Joe Biden was more normal than Katie Britt.
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08/03/24•44m 17s
Carbon Capture: Boon, Bane, or Balderdash?
Sir David King, formerly the UK's Government Chief Scientific Adviser, is now the Founder and Chair at Cambridge's Center for Climate Repair. He advocates carbon capture technology as part of the mix of solutions to climate change. Many environmentalists are not sold. Plus, blue cities get tough on crime, but also the opposite. And in the Spiel, the state of the State of the Union as a speech, phrase, and dance floor banger.
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07/03/24•38m 47s
Luxuriating In Luxury Beliefs
Rob Henderson, author of Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class, grew up in foster care among the people that the elites of Yale University say they care about. But when Henderson got to the Ivy League, he found that the cares of the elites, on behalf of the marginalized, and the cares of the actual people he grew up with at the margins, often greatly diverged. Plus, Chris Murphy and John Fetterman defend loathed colleagues. And, in the Spiel, what the Gopher State uncommitted contingent actually means.
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06/03/24•46m 14s
A Dearth Of Sinemaphiles
Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema announces her intention to become Former Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema. Also on the show, The New York Times' union says the paper is racially profiling its own MENA staffers over a leak, Mike provides analysis plus he explains the meaning of MENA, in case you are unfamiliar. And we're joined once more by Jonathan Blitzer, who profiled Alejandro Mayorkis for The New Yorker and is the author of Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here: The United States, Central America, and the Making of a Crisis.
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05/03/24•38m 32s
Border Porous? Blame Mayorkas
Jonathan Blitzer author of Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here: The United States, Central America, and the Making of a Crisis, profiled DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas for The New Yorker. Plus, The Intercept's lengthy attempt to question widespread Hamas rapes. And Trump will be on the ballot.
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04/03/24•46m 33s
BEST OF THE GIST: Fast-Food Innovation Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we tackle the important topic of poor-quality, quick-heating food innovations. From the archive, we listen back to Mike’s 2022 interview with Nathan Allebach, brand consultant and the twitter voice of Steak-umm brand meats for many years. As such he engaged with gaseous comedians and angsty millennials and has some theories as to why it all worked. Then, from the past week, Mike’s spiel about Wendy’s surge pricing strategy.
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02/03/24•31m 23s
Get Used To It
Cass Sunstein joins us to talk about how, without knowing it, we habituate to our circumstances ... regardless of the circumstances. This is both a good thing and bad thing, and it's the subject of Look Again: The Power of Noticing What Was Always There. Plus, Trump and Biden visit the border. And Mike spiels about best practices for reigning in talk show guests spewing nonsense.
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01/03/24•41m 38s
Bloody American History, Long Before the Founders
We're joined by James Swanson author of The Deerfield Massacre: A Surprise Attack, a Forced March, and the Fight for Survival in Early America. Plus, a little squiggle of Europe called Transnistria. And 40 years on from Jesse Jackson's Presidential run, Mike spiels about progress.
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29/02/24•37m 19s
Surge Burgers
Wendy's experiments with dynamic pricing, but generally lethargic french fries. Plus, it was a week from hell for Richard Lewis and Mitch McConnell. Well, a bit more for Lewis. And we're joined once more by Steve Coll author of The Achilles Trap: Saddam Hussein, the C.I.A., and the Origins of America's Invasion of Iraq.
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28/02/24•37m 5s
Saddam's Secret Recordings
Steve Coll, author of The Achilles Trap: Saddam Hussein, the C.I.A., and the Origins of America's Invasion of Iraq, worked to declassify the personal recordings of Sadam Hussein. They proved to be an important piece of insight into the dictator, whose nuclear bluff was so good it got him killed. Plus, "Hugs Not Bullets" in Mexico. And in the Spiel, what percentage of the vote in the Michigan Primary for "uncommitted" should worry Joe Biden?
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27/02/24•34m 46s
When An Insurmountable Obstacle Meets A Hubristic Work Force
Joe Biden's foreign policy team has mixed success, or some "non-failures," depending on if you regard the Afghanistan withdrawal plan as a regrettable misstep or bungled necessity. Alexander Ward is out with a new book, The Internationalists: The Fight to Restore American Foreign Policy After Trump. Plus, Shane Gillis hosts SNL, Trevor Noah hosts the Grammys, Joe Koi hosts the Golden Globes, and Twitter hosts pointed critiques of each. And are we really going into government shutdown watch ... again?!?
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26/02/24•41m 10s
American History Tellers: The Underground Railroad
Wondery’s podcast American History Tellers takes you to the events, times and people that shaped America and Americans — our values, our struggles and our dreams.
In the early 1800s, slavery rapidly expanded across the American South. But each year, thousands of courageous enslaved men, women, and children fled their owners in search of freedom. And in Philadelphia, secret allies came to their aid. Quaker abolitionists collaborated with free Black people to bring the freedom seekers to safety.
It was the start of the Underground Railroad, a clandestine network of activists, safe houses, and escape routes that would help tens of thousands of enslaved people flee bondage in the decades before the Civil War and challenge the very roots of American slavery.
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25/02/24•4m 7s
BEST OF THE GIST: Women In Film
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, with the Oscars fast approaching, we listen back to Mike’s Thursday Spiel in which he tries to figure out if 2023 was a great or terrible year for women in Hollywood films. We also listen back to our 2015 interview with filmmaker Leslie Headland, whose film Sleeping With Other People had just come out.
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24/02/24•35m 21s
So Close To China, They Can Hear The Music
Kinmen Islands is a part of Taiwan, but it's only five miles from China, the main Island of Taiwan laying over 100 miles across the Taiwan Straight. S. Leo Chiang is the director of the Oscar-nominated short documentary about Kinmen called Island In Between. Plus, a Magician apparates in the middle of the Democratic primaries. And, five years on, where would we be without the Green New Deal?
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23/02/24•36m 40s
Not a Fan of Fani
Andrew Fleischman is an Atlanta-based litigator, and he joins us to discuss the Fani Willis Trial and which way he thinks Judge McAfee will lean in his decision. Plus, in China monkeys are hard to come by, which is something South African wish they could say about ships filled with cattle wallowing in their own feces. And was 2023 the year of the woman in Hollywood? Mike Spiels an answer.
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23/02/24•44m 25s
Meet Your Raconteur Guide
Even after Tucker Carlson issued his double coupon day dasvidaniya, the ghost of Navalny trails him. Plus, Putin arrests a U.S. ballerina for donating $51 to Ukraine. And we speak with Charles Duhigg, author of Supercommunicators: How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection.
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21/02/24•38m 37s
Your Enemy's Victory Speech
William Ury, author of Possible: How We Survive (and Thrive) in an Age of Conflict has worked on peace negotiations in Norther Ireland, South Africa, and Colombia joins us to share some lessons and tactics. One is to imagine your loathed rival delivering a speech to their public. What would he say. If it's Kim Jong Un, would he shout-out Dennis Rodman? Plus, Nikki Haley takes the low road, too. And Donald Trump pays the piper, but the piper only requires 5% down.
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20/02/24•38m 41s
BEST OF THE GIST - Presidents Day
We are off on this Holiday, but we wanted to share two interviews from the archive. One is from 2019 with founding CEO of C-SPAN Brian Lamb and Co-CEO Susan Swain are here to discuss their new book The Presidents: Noted Historians Rank America’s Best—and Worst—Chief Executives. Also from 2018 is Kate and J.D. Dobson are out with a book that considers Ulysses S. Grant’s quiet charisma, Franklin Pierce’s youthful charm, and the distinguished eyebrows of a certain Warren G. Harding. The Dobsons are the authors of Hottest Heads of State, Volume 1: The American Presidents.
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19/02/24•33m 44s
BEST OF THE GIST: Tunnel Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we listen back to Mike’s December 6, 2023 interview with Aric Toler about the storied Hamas tunnel network, which, depending on where you get your news, is either a "vast labyrinth" or a 160-yard tunnel with little room for a command center capable of orchestrating the October 7th attack. Aric Toler is a reporter on the Visual Investigations team at The New York Times, where he combines traditional reporting techniques with "open-source" reporting practices, and he recently contributed to a Times investigation about the tunnels. Then we rewind to this past Tuesday so Mike can again ask the question, “Would a ‘Winter Wonderland’ occur to any songwriter today?”
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17/02/24•50m 42s
Trump Liable, Willis Excitable, Guatemalan Democracy Viable
Donald Trump is ordered to pay over $350 million ... bad judgement for him there. Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis hits back hard at defense attorneys seeking to toss her off the Georgia racketeering case. And we speak with Quico Toro, a Contributing Editor at Persuasion, who tells us the story of Guatemala, where a duly elected president actually got to assume office. He calls it "January 6th in reverse."
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16/02/24•35m 4s
Parades, Churches, Super Bowls and Guns
Shootings at Joel Osteen's megachurch and the Kansas City Chiefs' Super Bowl Parade illustrate an American tendency to find meaning in shootings based on the oddest factor: the shooter's motivations and tactics. Plus, we're joined once more by Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware, co-author's of God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-Right Terrorism in America. Also on the show, Chicken Wings: Appetizer, Entree, or symbol of the imponderable mysteries at the edges of human comprehension?
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15/02/24•41m 29s
God, Guns, and Sedition...In That Order
Bruce Hoffman & Jacob Ware are leading terrorism experts out with a new book titled God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-Right Terrorism in America. We discuss the rise of the far right. Plus, Santos out, Democrat in. And Mike analyzes some Super Bowl commercials ... three days after the game.
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14/02/24•45m 14s
Our Unconvincing Gun Arguments
Jonathan Metzl, Professor of Sociology and Psychiatry at Vanderbilt University and author of What We've Become: Living and Dying in a Country of Arms on examining the flaws in our gun-control strategy and how we talk about gun owners. Plus, the race to replace George Santos comes down to snow. And would a "Winter Wonderland" occur to any songwriter today?
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13/02/24•41m 10s
Rush To Kill
George Hale is the reporter behind Rush To Kill, the eight-part podcast series that looks at federal death row, which lay dormant for years ... until the waning days of the Trump administration. Plus, many Biden defender's attest to the President's unparalleled sagacity and staggering mental capacity rivaling the greatest seers of our age. And President Trump gets the world excited with what amounts to a NATO non-humble brag.
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12/02/24•37m 47s
BEST OF THE GIST: Sunday TV Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, in honor of Superbowl Sunday, we listen back to Mike’s 2019 interview with former Baltimore Raven offensive lineman John Urschel. After his time in the NFL, Urschel went on to get a PhD and have an accomplished career as a mathematician. He is joined by his co-writer, Louisa Thomas—who is also his wife—to discuss their book Mind and Matter: A Life in Math and Football. Then, to honor the Sunday political shows, Mike’s recent Spiel following up on the question of Kristen Welker's insistence on follow-up questions.
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10/02/24•33m 13s
Identifying Non-Identity-Based Solutions
We end DEI week with the second half of our interview with Denise Hamilton, author of Indivisible: How to Forge our Differences into a Stronger Future. We discuss areas where racism might very well be at play, though focusing on identity isn't necessarily the best way forward. And our President is a well-meaning elderly gentleman, qualities that are apparently much more of an electoral vulnerability than being a vindictive old man who forever holds a grudge. Plus, why freezing liquified natural gas matters ... all states of matter, in fact.
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09/02/24•41m 11s
Self-Executing Themselves In The Foot
Colorado's Lawyer gets schooled by SCOTUS. Bud Light tries to counter the forces of stupidity via the power of goofy Super Bowl ads. Plus, DEI educator and consultant Denise Hamilton, author of Indivisible: How to Forge Our Differences into a Stronger Future.
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08/02/24•40m 1s
The Insurrection And Trump's Election
SCOTUS is considering if Donald Trump should appear on Coloradoans ballot in November, and if not, why not? The officially decreed "not immune for all prosecution" former POTUS faces scrutiny from SCOTUS, and we're joined by Jeffrey Rosen, President of the National Constitution Center and host of the We The People podcast. Plus, DEI week continues with more from Coleman Hughes, author of The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America. We probe areas where colorblindness might not be the best way toward progress.
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07/02/24•51m 8s
Color Blindness: Bad for Traffic Signals, Good For Countries?
Coleman Hughes, author of The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America stops by to add a diversity of thought in his inclusion on DEI week. Plus, our country seems intent on getting nothing done in years divisible by 2. And following up on the question of Kristen Welker's insistence on follow-up questions.
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06/02/24•38m 46s
Does DEI Work?
All week, we'll be taking a deep dive into DEI—Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion—which has come under attack from conservatives. A great defense would be to point to the many demonstrable successes of DEI, but that's not always easy, because many of the highest profile expressions of DEI haven't yielded quantifiable successes. To kickoff DEI Week, we're joined today by Northwestern School of Education's Ahmmad Brown, a Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Justice (DEIJ) scholar. This is the first part in our week-long series discussing DEI in a way that expresses doubts, allows for eye-opening revelations, and relies on inquiry. Also, as a bit of an appetizer, we poke gentle fun at "Woke Kindergarten," which is a real thing. "Real" being defined as, the curriculum costs schools that choose to participate $250,000.
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05/02/24•45m 4s
BEST OF THE GIST: Death Penalty Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we listen back to Mike’s 2019 interview with Anthony Ray Hinton, who was wrongfully convicted for the murder of two teenagers in Alabama in 1985. After 30 years on death row, Hinton’s conviction was overturned, and he was released. He’s since become an advocate for those facing the death penalty and the abolishment of it in the United States. Hinton’s book is titled, The Sun Does Shine: How I Found Life and Freedom on Death Row. Then we hear Mike’s Wednesday Spiel about Kenneth Eugene Smith’s recent execution by nitrogen hypoxia. Observers were disturbed by the process of Smith's final five minutes on Earth, but officials of the state of Alabama where only disturbed by others’ disturbed-ness.
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03/02/24•30m 57s
Who Are The Night Owls?
Political experts and podcast partners in the Night Owls Podcast, Joe Klein and John Ellis analyze the political pitfalls of Democrats in the next election and contrast those with the co-situational dangers of Trump. Plus, smushy-faced dogs and the dire lack of cow-part funding. Finally, Mike criticizes a New Yorker magazine story about Oregon overdoses that defied credulity.
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02/02/24•44m 17s
Bland Tacos, Tap Water, And Joe Biden
Luppe Luppen is a lawyer who is also the Twitter pugilist @nycsouthpaw. He is now the co-author of a new book, The Truce: Progressives, Centrists, and the future of the Democratic Party. Plus, a beheading with talking points from Tucker.
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01/02/24•42m 3s
Innovation, Alabama-Style
On January 25th, Kenneth Eugene Smith was the first American executed by nitrogen hypoxia. Observers were disturbed by the process of Smith's final five minutes on Earth, but officials of the state of Alabama where only disturbed by others disturbed-ness. Also on the show, Joshua Green discusses his new book, The Rebels: Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and the Struggle For A New American Politics. And, when the status quo is objected to, it doesn't mean the change is agreeable.
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31/01/24•39m 42s
Yellow Lines And Dead Armadillos
Jeremy Hobson has been hosting The Middle, a call-in public radio program. That sounds scintillating enough, but it gets even spicier when you learn that the show is dedicated to non-extremism. As much as this reasonable-seeming description might evoke thoughts of high-minded even-handedness, in practice it's actually quite exciting and exceedingly rare. Plus, the newest members of The Squad squander the brand name, while every Republican on the House Homeland Security committee claims that Alejandro Mayorkis has committed the High Crimes and Misdemeanors worthy of impeachment.
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30/01/24•40m 26s
Paging Doctor Death
We're joined by the show runner of the Peacock series Dr. Death, Ashley Michel Hoban, to discuss why we are drawn to doctors who first do some harm. Lots of it in fact. Plus, Nikki Haley just has no idea about any details of Donald Trump's Trials. And the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act is making progress, yet it feels like ghoulish wound-opening.
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29/01/24•39m 47s
Introducing American Scandal: Police Corruption in Baltimore
In the spring of 2017, a police corruption scandal rocked the city of Baltimore. And at the heart of it was an elite undercover unit called the Gun Trace Task Force.
American Scandal is a podcast from Wondery that takes you deep into the most infamous scandals in American history, from presidential lies to environmental disasters and corporate fraud. Their new season looks at a Baltimore police unit that was supposed to reduce violence in the community. But they operated with little oversight, and instead became a breeding ground for rogue cops who were abusing their power.
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28/01/24•6m 27s
BEST OF THE GIST: Penguin Poop Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, upon hearing the news that researchers had discovered four previously unknown colonies of emperor penguins with the help of satellite imagery, we give to you Mike’s 2017 interview with penguin researcher Michelle LeRue. Then we replay Mike’s January 24, 2024 Spiel about The Los Angeles Times, which isn’t his favorite news source.
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27/01/24•26m 56s
Hague: Vague, Schmague, Or Making A Mistake?
The International Court of Justice rules on the plausibility of Israel committing genocide, one particularly incendiary Israeli official tweets "Hague Schmague." Taylor Swift pics are everywhere, as is always true, but these were invented by a perverted computer. And we're joined once more by Professor Brian Klaas, who takes down certainty and his own field of political science in his new book, Fluke: Chance, Chaos, and Why Everything We Do Matters.
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26/01/24•42m 41s
Fluke Happens
Brian Klaas, political scientist and author of Fluke: Chance, Chaos, and Why Everything We Do Matters, talks about flawed thinking and the flaws of social science. Plus, a bird of prey on your wedding day. And the LA Times misinformation "expert" who got it horribly wrong.
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25/01/24•42m 31s
Will Haley Bail-y?
Tim Alberta of The Atlantic is author of the new book The Kingdom, The Power, and The Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism, and he also wrote the definitive Nikki Haley profile. He says Haley really, really doesn't like Trump, and maybe now we'll get a chance to hear the depths of her dissatisfaction. Plus, the U.S. makes a foray into an Angola railway. And if the LA Times were a person you met at a party, would you walk away?
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24/01/24•35m 54s
Donald Dockett
New York Times columnist, Dispatch legal expert, and podcaster David French joins us to discuss timelines for the various Trump legal cases, and David's belief that the Colorado Supreme Court disqualified him justly. "That's what judges do," French says. Plus, does Joe Biden's support of Israel hurt him as much as standard analysis would have us all believe? And an unasked-for foray into the lopsided results of New England community college women's basketball.
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23/01/24•42m 30s
Nikki's Not Taking NH For Granite
Horrible puns aside, New Hampshire marks the last chance for one of Donald Trump's challengers to actually make a stand. Guests Matt Robison and Paul Hodes of the Beyond Politics podcast think it really could happen. Mike is more suspicious of that claim than Ron DeSantis is of the World Wide Woke Agenda. Over the weekend, the Florida Governor dropped out of the race, and Mike ranks the most common explanations from charmlessness to excess Disney obsession. Plus, newly engaged Senator Tim Scott makes a few factually unchecked claims on CNN, but that's okay because feelings.
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22/01/24•46m 35s
BEST OF THE GIST: Hogwarts Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, protests of the video game Hogwarts Legacy dealt a blow to the financial empire of J.K. Rowlings’ in 2023 … Oh wait, actually, Hogwarts Legacy was the highest grossing game of last year. Nevermind. We listen back to Mike’s February 2023 Spiel about the protests. Then we listen to our recent Spiel about Spirit Airlines failure to merge with JetBlue.
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20/01/24•23m 17s
Putin Loser, Times Disagrees
Our brave and heroic Congress has done the incredible ... again ... passing legislation to temporarily keep the government running until February. Great, um, job. In the interview, Jeffrey Sonnenfeld of Yale's school of management joins us to explain why Putin in hurting economically and why reporters don't get the story. Also on the show, Pakistan and Iran have nice things to say to each other despite those missiles.
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19/01/24•42m 17s
Trauma And Gaza
First, we consider the case of the dream boat Yemeni who is a hijacker of real boats, dubbed "Tim-Houthi Chalamet" by adoring online fans. And then, it's a full show talking with Bessel van der Kolk author of The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma, and co-author of a piece in Foreign Affairs, "The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and the Psychology of Trauma: How Insights From Therapeutic Practice Can Help Build Peace."
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18/01/24•38m 33s
When There's A Willis There's A Wade
Georgia DA Fani Willis wades into allegations that she hired her romantic partner to prosecute Trump. She does so from the pulpit of a storied church, yielding more "amens" than answers. Plus, the government preserves Spirit Airlines as the perhaps beloved, certainly belittled Dollar Store of the skies. And we're joined once more by Matt Bruenig of the People's Policy Project to talk unions, income inequality, and if a toned-down Twitter avatar might make his brand of socialist seem cuddlier.
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17/01/24•38m 45s
Did DEI Blow The Doors Off An Airplane?
Matt Bruenig of the People's Policy Center discusses the gap between economic impression and reality. Vivek Ramaswamy ends his cosplay as a Trump cover band. And the explanation that some on the right are giving for that hole in the Alaska Airlines door. You can't spell idiotic explanation without "DEI."
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16/01/24•39m 51s
BEST OF THE GIST: Chaos Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, Mike’s 2016 interview with Tim Hartford, author of the book Messy: The Power of Disorder to Transform Our Lives. Also, Mike’s Tuesday Spiel about nanoplastics and whether or not they are more dangerous to our bodies or our anxiety levels.
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13/01/24•32m 59s
The Houthi Haircut
The Houthis are monstrous militants, which would be reason enough to dispatch them via military might. But also, think of the carbon savings! Plus, Israel defends itself from genocide charges. And we're joined once more by Donald G. McNeil Jr. to discuss his new book The Wisdom of Plagues, a zoonotic origin of Covid, if Anthony Fauci answers about gain-of-function research were accurate, and public health cowardice in the face of m(onkey) pox.
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12/01/24•38m 59s
Liar Liar Pants On Fire Dot Com
A spirited debate between Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley last night allowed the former South Carolina Governor to trot out a new attack line. Also, Donald McNeil Jr. has been covering pandemics since the aid crisis in the 80s. His new book The Wisdom of Plagues, collects all the lessons he has learned covering diseases across the world. And Trump's legal woes have his candidacy on the rocks. Actually, just the opposite.
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11/01/24•34m 39s
Secret Tunnels, Secret Deals
John McCormick, senior editor at The Dispatch, walks us through what the hell congress is doing, if anything, and how the upcoming elections will affect the aforementioned governing body. Plus, a secret tunnel in a Brooklyn synagogue sparks a "Gistvestigation." And South Africa is set to charge Israel with genocide.
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10/01/24•40m 15s
Bottled Water: Nanoplastics and Mega-freakout
A new study shows more plastic than could be imagined, and certainly seen, in bottled water. The coverage demands a freakout, rationality demands you take a deep breath, a deep sip, and relax. Plus, the Trump immunity appeal makes for captivating viewing. And we're joined once more by Yaroslov Trofimov, author of OurEnemies Will Vanish: The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence.
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09/01/24•38m 32s
Defeating Putin: Tactics, Weapons, and Will
Yaroslav Trofimov, Chief Foreign-Affairs Correspondent at The Wall Street Journal, discusses his new book, Our Enemies Will Vanish: The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence. Plus, our undisclosed, indisposed SecDef. And how Joe Biden defines White Supremacy.
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08/01/24•37m 41s
BEST OF THE GIST: Three Years After January 6th Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we listen back to the episode published the evening of the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol. It was a defining moment in our nation’s history, and we have a pretty clear understand of what went down that ugly day. On January 6, 2021, though, we didn’t have much detail, but Mike went on to try to put some context around what we were all seeing.
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06/01/24•19m 9s
The Houthis Suck
Let's not forget a fact that could be swallowed up in all the big international news: the Houthi rebels—no good, no good at all. Even rhyming chants won't change that. Plus, Biden hits the campaign trail with a focus on protecting democracy. And we're joined by Michael MacCambridge, author of the new book The Big Time: How the 1970s Transformed Sports in America.
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05/01/24•37m 31s
The NY Times Objective In Objecting to Objectivity
Donald Trump's emoluments entanglements receive further scrutiny. And would a soon-to-explode American airliner have witnessed such an orderly exit? Plus, Adam Nagourney continues his discussion of The Times: How the Newspaper of Record Survived Scandal, Scorn and the Transformation of Journalism.
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04/01/24•39m 30s
The History Of Scandal At The New York Times
Adam Nagourney is the author of The Times: How the Newspaper of Record Survived Scandal, Scorn and the Transformation of Journalism. Mike questions him about the extent that the NYT actually has escaped scorn. Plus, Israel takes out a top Hamas commander, which threatens to escalate regional tensions, suggesting the region might not want top Hamas commanders taken out. And is Claudine Gay a martyr, a victim or merely a transcription enthusiast?
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03/01/24•37m 2s
David Duchovny: A Reservoir Of Talent
David Duchovny (like "the truth") is out there as an actor, director, musician, and novelist (or Novella-ist) in the case of his latest The Reservoir. Plus, Nikki Haley didn't say "slavery," but what in the world was she saying? A look at 14 years of her hard-to-parse comments on the causes of the Civil War. Also on the show, the highest paid employees of each state fight in a violent yearly ritual. Programming Note: Our interview with the President of Harvard has been cancelled. Please use the course catalogue to determine your schedule for the Spring Semester.
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02/01/24•41m 10s
Mike’s Birthday Present To Himself
Today is Mike Pesca’s birthday, and as a gift to himself, he requested we replay two classic interviews that he considers some of his favorites. So we’ll be listening back to his conversation with comedian Gary Gulman from 2019 and actor/writer/Fonzie Henry Winkler from 2017. See you in 2024!
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29/12/23•36m 18s
The Best Podcasts Of 2023
Mike gives his list of the best podcasts of the past calendar year. He also talks with Sonari Glinton, host of the Shattering the System podcast, which tells the story of a politically connected predator who operated out of West Hollywood, and Lauren Chooljian, host of the The 13th Step, which tells the story of a politically connected predator who operated out of New Hampshire.
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28/12/23•55m 51s
They Found Navalny, And We Found Bernoulli
Russian dissident Alexi Navalny has been located. It’s someplace cold and inescapable, but he's able to make some Christmasy jokes, so that's “good.” Plus, The Gist has found an interview thought lost, about a 17th Century mathematician who was also, in his way, a little lost. Bernoulli's Fallacy: Statistical Illogic and the Crisis of Modern Science is the book, we talk with its author Aubrey Clayton.
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27/12/23•41m 47s
A Boxing Day Grab Bag
On this day after Christmas, we are choosing to eschew the news cycle and instead have a little fun. We found some oldies-but-goodies from Mike's pre-Gist time at New York Public Radio's On The Media and NPR's Day To Day. With puns, oddities, parodies, and peccadillos galore, it's the perfect soundtrack to accompany you while you return all the awful gifts you got for store credit.
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26/12/23•25m 26s
BEST OF THE GIST: Christmas Eve Eve Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we replay Mike’s Tuesday Spiel about Chicago’s disgruntled neighborhoods, overwhelmed by newly resettled migrants. But lest you think it’s wealthy white people doing the complaining, well … it’s not. Then we rewind to 2016, before Trump, back when newspaper headlines were less terrifying and a bit more song-inspiring. Also … Merry Christmas.
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23/12/23•22m 54s
Coal Deaths In Your Stocking
Don't Worry … it's actually good news. Part of the spate of good news that we can't quite accept or process. Plus, the greatest face-melting rock anthems of all time. And Minnesota's new flag rings out the last Vexillology Corner of 2023, with Ted Kaye, author of Good Flag, Bad Flag.
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22/12/23•42m 17s
Hamas, Holy Warriors
Reena Ninan, veteran broadcast reporter for CBS, ABC, and Fox has been in earlier versions of Hamas tunnels, and she tells us about underground ambitions and over-the-air coverage. Plus, Fat Leonard, Poor Rudy, and the Houthi Creed. And comedian Alex Edelman discusses the difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism and anti-Netanyahu-ism.
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21/12/23•44m 20s
The State Of A Two-State Solution
Donald Trump is barred from the ballot in Colorado, for now, interesting reasoning contributed to the court's decision, which probably won't survive SCOTUS. Plus, Lina Khatib, director of the SOAS Middle East Institute at SOAS University of London assesses Israel's neighbor's relations with Palestinians and what hopes there are for a permanent peace.
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20/12/23•46m 27s
Northern Cities, Southern Problems
It's not just bomb-throwing conservative House members who think migrants arriving at the U.S. southern border are a problem. Turns out, the people who's communities are slated as their new homes feel similarly, and those people are often people of color. And we are joined again by Ryan Grim to continue our interview about his new book, The Squad: AOC and the Hope of a Political Revolution. And, whether you call them the Houthis or the "Hooties," they are a problem.
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19/12/23•38m 36s
AOC: A Revolutionary Who Wants To Be Loved
Ryan Grim, author of The Squad: AOC and the Hope of a Political Revolution describes the ascent, tactics, behaviors, and personalities of AOC and other young leftists in Congress. Plus, it's hard to talk about immigration, as Joe Manchin, the President of Illinois' NAACP, and, most insensitively of all, Donald Trump show in myriad ways.
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18/12/23•38m 50s
BEST OF THE GIST: Sludge Train Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we rewind to Tuesday to listen back to Mike’s treatise on New Jersey’s sludge barge, though, for reasons pertaining to the O’Jays song “Love Train,” we are calling it the Sludge Train. Then we rewind way back to 2018, when Mike felt the need to warn listeners about culturally sensitive seasons greetings.
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16/12/23•19m 10s
Victor Orban And Other Smelly Pigs
Ukraine's EU funding is thwarted by the Hungarian leader whose less Buddah and more Pest, Victor Orban. Plus, Kate Mara and Shawn Bannon drop by to talk about their documentary about hog pollution in North Carolina, The Smell of Money. And an emergency Antwentig, in which secret geopolitical lyrics to OJay's songs are divulged.
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15/12/23•42m 24s
Perspectives On War Time Proportionality
Twelve hundred Israelis were killed by Hamas. Perhaps 15,000 Gazans have died as Israel has pursued its attacker, many Hamas fighters among them. But those numbers alone do not help us understand the concept of proportionality in international law. Ben Wittes of Lawfare is here to help us think through the idea. Plus, delving into "Homonationalism." Also on the show, Rudy has defamed and also suffers from having lesser fame than his old client, Donald Trump.
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14/12/23•41m 51s
Hunter In The Crosshairs, Horses In The Back
Chris Molanphy is here to discuss his new book, what is certainly the most authoritative work of non fiction about the Lil Nas X song "Old Town Road," which is also the name of the book. Plus, Hunter Biden does the old town road of attempting to sidestep a congressional inquest. Also on the show: while congress will vote on an impeachment inquiry, they won't vote on aid for Ukraine.
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13/12/23•33m 12s
Not Graduating College Shortens Your Life
Angus Deaton, the Nobel Prize winner who popularized the notion of "deaths of despair" stops by to discuss his latest book, Economics In America: An Immigrant Economist Explores the Land of Inequality. In it, he discusses the correlation of a college education and a longer life. Plus, digital fungus underrepresentation, and all aboard the SLUDGE TRAIN!
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13/12/23•37m 31s
The Trial(s) Of Those Who Killed Elijah McClain
After the 2019 death of Elijah McClain at the hands of Aurora Colorado police, no charges were filed. Then, spurred on by activism over the murder of George Floyd, the Governor of Colorado ordered the case reopened. After two trials resulting in mixed verdicts, the paramedics who administered ketamine to McClain stand accused. We check in with Alison Borden, an editor from Colorado Public Radio who has been following the case. Plus, the college presidents who muddled a seemingly simple answer about calls for genocide. And Bernie Sanders isn't BS-ing about Hamas.
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11/12/23•42m 9s
BEST OF THE GIST: Hate Speech On Campus Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, with the presidents of Harvard, M.I.T., and the University of Pennsylvania being hauled in front of the House of Representatives this past week to answer for antisemitic speech on their campuses, we thought it apropos to listen back to Mike’s interview with Mark Oppenheimer, host of the podcast Gatecrashers, about the hidden history of the relationship between Jews and the Ivy League. Then we’ll hear Mike’s front-of-show Spiel from Tuesday about MSNBC’s horrible rewrite of a Boston Globe investigation about foster care.
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09/12/23•36m 51s
Untangling The News
Isaac Saul, a former writer for Vox, The Huffington Post, and Time Magazine, was frustrated with news bias and often slanted coverage. So he founded Tangle News, a politics newsletter which summarizes the best arguments from across the political spectrum on the news of the day. Plus, Mike addresses listeners who say, "We want more Israel criticism, or just less Israel overall."
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08/12/23•45m 14s
Does Donald Trump Still Know How To Talk: An Investigation
In a national referendum, the country of Venezuela just voted to annex half of Guyana, against the will of the Guyanese ... and international law. And every map. While they have no case, and no means to actually take the land, it might lay the groundwork for further chicanery says Fransisco Toro, our Latin America watcher. Plus, a UC Berkley sociology Jew butts heads with living-in-Israel Jews. Also on the show, does Donald Trump still know how to talk? We watch a speech to determine the extent of the former President's supposed verbal decline.
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07/12/23•39m 53s
"Vast Labyrinth" Or "Box Of Dates"?
Depending on where you get your news, the storied Hamas tunnel network is either a "vast labyrinth" or a 160-yard tunnel with little room for a command center capable of orchestrating the October 7th attack. Aric Toler is a reporter on the Visual Investigations team at The New York Times, where he combines traditional reporting techniques with "open-source" reporting practices, and he recently contributed to a Times investigation about the tunnels. Also on the show, Derek Chauvin was stabbed 22 times while in a prison library making copies. Don't make the Saturday Night Live "makin' copies" joke, okay.
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06/12/23•41m 51s
When Rewrites Go Wrong
A Boston Globe investigation into foster care adds to the sum of human knowledge only to have a botched MSNBC rewrite subtract from it. Also on the show, Nathan Thrall is an American author, journalist, and former director of the International Crisis Group’s Arab-Israeli Project. He joins us to talk about the war in Israel, and to ponder if peace is possible. We also discuss his most recent book, A Day in the Life of Abed Salama: Anatomy of a Jerusalem Tragedy.
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05/12/23•51m 35s
Every Little Thing Xi Does Is Tragic
It would seem China is in a state of decline, but it's hard to know for sure. The Economist's Ted Plafker joins to discuss what we can discern about the property crisis, political firings, and how countries who borrowed as part of the Belt And Road initiative got steamrolled. Plus, Ron DeSantis doesn't want to answer for Donald Trump's use of animal imagery. And a touching tribute to the late, great North Dakota hope Doug Burgum.
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04/12/23•35m 7s
BEST OF THE GIST: Misused Political Slogan Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we explore a few catchy political slogans that turned out to be deceptive, confusing, or just kind of dumb. First we listen to Tuesday’s spiel about the expression “From the river to the sea,” and then we listen back to Mike’s June 5, 2020 spiel about the slogan “Defund the police.”
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02/12/23•31m 0s
The Slings And Poop Maps Of Outrageous Fortune
Eliot Cohen, Dean of the Johns Hopkins School of International Studies and former Counselor to the Secretary Of State has always thought Shakespeare had great insights about great leaders. His book is The Hollow Crown: Shakespeare on How Leaders Rise, Rule, and Fall. Plus, George Santos gets bounced, and Ron DeSantis has a crap map.
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01/12/23•35m 53s
The Tempest In Elon Musk's Brain
Elon Musk's intemperate but tempestuous remarks show us a man whose not hard to understand but difficult nonetheless. Plus, we're visited by Kliph Nesteroff, author of Outrageous: A History of Showbiz and the Culture Wars. And Malawi get into the Israel act.
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30/11/23•36m 24s
Flying Cars Grounded By Red Tape And The Russian Mob
In Bradley Tusk's new novel Obvious In Hindsight, a flying car company attempts to get government approval, even though the politics are dicey, the lobbyists are dirty, and the cars just might not ... uh, what's the word? Fly. Plus, after seventeen days, workers freed thanks to rat tunnels. And the very leftist Youtube channels going beyond even Hamas' obfuscations to flat out allege that Israel targeted their own citizens.
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29/11/23•32m 56s
"From The River To The Sea" Rebranded As A Call For Peace
When a slogan of war suddenly becomes a call to peace. Also on the show, we pick back up where we left off with the New York Times' David Leonhardt. His new book is Ours Was The Shining Future: The Story of the American Dream. Plus, the refused-to-be-addressed crisis at the border.
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28/11/23•43m 9s
The Future Looked Brighter In The Past
Pulitzer Prize winning NY Times writer David Leonhardt is here to discuss Ours Was The Shining Future: The Story of the American Dream. The hostage exchange between Israel and Hamas is working and showing us that countries are right to care about their own citizens. Plus, a few furry friends become entrees, and a Fertile Turtle is at the center of the ordeal.
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27/11/23•34m 43s
BEST OF THE GIST: Cease-Fire Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, as Israel and Hamas agree to a cease fire, we listen back to Mike’s 2014 interview with Mitchell Reiss, author of Negotiating with Evil, who suggests that the question is not whether to negotiate with terrorists, but how to get the best deal. Then we listen back to Mike’s Tuesday Spiel in which he envisions where the war in Gaza goes from here.
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25/11/23•28m 54s
60 Hours In Israel
Mike spent the majority of last week reporting from Israel. On his trip, he met and interviewed many people living through the current crisis, and this special Thanksgiving weekend episode is a collection of said reportage, in which he tells the stories of those people who’s lives were forever changed by the events of October 7, 2023.
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24/11/23•34m 0s
Architecture’s Weird Definition of “Natural”
Des Fitzgerald, Professor of Medical Humanities and Social Sciences at University College Cork in Ireland, is out with a new book The Living City: Why Cities Don’t Need to Be Green to Be Great. The European title gets at things more straightforwardly: The City of Today is a Dying Thing: In Search of the Cities of Tomorrow. We’ll discuss the need for two titles. Plus, on the day Israel and Hamas agree to a hostage release and temporary cease-fire, attempting to watch the 47-minute film of Hamas atrocities with an emphasis on humanity over dehumanization.
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22/11/23•39m 24s
Alaskan Booze Cruise
NBA veteran Carlos Boozer is here to talk about his upbringing, his career, and his new book, Every Shot Counts: A Memoir of Resilience. Plus, what if the city issued all citizens a False Testimony Tax? And Mike lays out where he sees the war in Gaza going from here.
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21/11/23•41m 55s
The Proper Corralling and Taming of Disinformation
Lee McIntyre author of “On Disinformation" discusses and debates with Mike, how to conceptualize disinformation, and how not combat it consistently no matter who is getting dissed. Plus, new evidence about Hamas operations under hospitals. And…PANDAS!
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20/11/23•38m 33s
BEST OF THE GIST: Israel Story Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, something a little different. If you’ve been listening to The Gist this past week, you’ve heard Mike reporting from Israel. He’s home safe now, but he spent several days traveling around and recording the stories of Israelis as they come to terms with a recent tragedy and face an unknown future. So today we wanted to share an episode of an Israeli podcast called Israel Story, which has also focused on human stories in the wake of October 7th. Their show is sad and funny and attempts to capture the complexity of their society, so it’s no surprise that it’s often referred to as the This American Life of Israel … even by them … on their website. We would love to hear what you think of it.
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18/11/23•20m 30s
Israel's War Clock Is Ticking
As Israeli Defense Forces explore and document what was found in and under Al-Shifa hospital, verification is hard, and doubt is free and easy to sew. Plus, Robert Pape wonders, "What makes a terrorist ... international vs. domestic?" Pape is a professor and the Director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Also on the show, American decadence versus Israeli seriousness.
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17/11/23•36m 30s
Gist In Israel: The Deadliest Single Site Of October 7th
Mike visits Kibbutz Be’eri, which saw carnage on October 7th, and he’s told the story of what happened there. Also on the show, Roma Agrawal is a structural engineer who spent six years working on the tallest building in Western Europe—The Shard in London. She is out with a new book, Nuts and Bolts: Seven Small Inventions That Changed the World in a Big Way, in which she talks about how the simple inventions like the wheel, the nail, and even string are a part of the building blocks of our modern world.
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16/11/23•37m 10s
Live From Israel: A Nation Held Hostage
On Mike’s second day in Israel, he attends the meeting of people trying to bring their family members kidnapped by Hamas home from captivity. Also on the show, Patrick T. Brown, a Ph.D. climate scientist and Co-Director of the Climate and Energy Team at The Breakthrough Institute, joins us to talk about his recent piece in The Free Press titled “I Left Out the Full Truth to Get My Climate Change Paper Published.”
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15/11/23•33m 3s
De-Polarized By An Existential Threat
Gigi Levy-Weiss is a former Apache helicopter pilot in the Israeli Air Force, a tech entrepreneur, and a member of Brothers In Arms, reservists who refused to support Netanyahu's government as it tried to reshape the country’s highest court. Mike sat down with Levy-Weiss to discuss his role in a new organization called Brothers and Sisters of Israel, which is tasked with supporting soldiers, civilians, and, in a twist, the government he protested just months earlier. Also on the show, when a nation looks past its ideologies to band together despite its leader.
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14/11/23•35m 17s
Fast, Efficacious, And Safe: A Tall Order
Gus Perna was a four-star general a month out from retirement from the Army, when the Trump Administration tapped him to help lead the logistics of Operation Warp Speed, the public-private partnership to get Americans a COVID vaccine that was effective and safe, and to do so quickly. Perna joins us to discuss the challenges of vaccinating America and getting the country back to business as usual. Also on the show, no matter how bombastic or scary his rhetoric may be, it's probably worth remembering that Trump follows through about as well as he eats green vegetables.
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13/11/23•45m 57s
BEST OF THE GIST: Competing Narratives Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, first we rewind to the summer of 2014, when Israel and Palestine were again locked in armed conflict. To understand the Palestinian perspective, Mike interviewed Canadian human rights worker Diana Buttu who was then in Nazareth. Then we listen back to the Spiel from the Tuesday, November 7, 2023 show about the meaning imparted in the misreported presence of beheaded babies in Israel.
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11/11/23•26m 10s
The Science Of History
History is the product of remembering our past, so it involves the mind, though we have underused neuroscience in understanding how we know what we think we know. Abby Smith Rumsey chairs the board of the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences at Stanford University, and she is out with a new book Memory, Edited: Taking Liberties with History, in which she looks to science to help her understand the past. And a false narrative about children dying in Gaza is amplified by the media echo chamber.
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10/11/23•42m 1s
We Have FedEx'd Our Pandas Back To China
China recalls its pandas, and Americans bid them a tearful adieu. If only we could form such a tight bond with the Uyghurs. We are also joined by Dr. Jonathan Howard, author of We Want Them Infected: How the failed quest for herd immunity led doctors to embrace the anti-vaccine movement and blinded Americans to the threat of COVID, to discuss the concept of herd immunity. Then we turn to yesterday's GOP debate, where shooting people was proposed as a U.S. policy for immigration.
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09/11/23•31m 18s
Beaten To Protect Democracy
Aquilino Gonell was a Capitol Hill Police Officer who, on January 6th, was beset upon by an angry mob then all but abandoned by officialdom in the aftermath. He's out with his story in a new book, American Shield: The Immigrant Sergeant Who Defended Democracy. Plus, election day shows the U.S. wants their rights, but not a revolution. And Donald Trump actually is doing much better than predicted with black Voters. Could it be the mug shot?
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08/11/23•35m 21s
A Moderate Party's Immoderate Self Perception
John Judis and Ruy Teixiera drop by to answer the question posed in the title of their new book Where Have All the Democrats Gone? Their warning is that the more Dems tack left, the more likely the only constituency left will be "the left." Plus, the guilty plea of a mass shooter's father. And the meaning imparted in the misreported presence of beheaded babies in Israel.
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08/11/23•41m 47s
Fleeing North Korea
Soyeon Lee fled North Korea, was caught, was jailed, was beaten, then fled again. We will talk to her, and the documentarian Madeleine Gavin, about the new film Beyond Utopia, which includes surreptitiously recorded video of dangerous escape attempts. Plus, Joe Biden trails Trump everywhere that counts. Is the "people will figure out Trump is worse" strategy the best strategy? And protesters attack a seventeenth-century oil painting, because they hate paintings. No, wait, it's that they hate oil. Both are equally sensible.
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06/11/23•31m 11s
BEST OF THE GIST: Fentanyl Edition
A new Netflix film, Pain Hustlers, starring Emily Blunt and Chris Evans, is getting a lot of buzz, so we dug into the archives to unearth an interview with Evan Hughes from February 2022. Hughes is author of Hard Sell: Crime and Punishment at an Opioid Startup, about his coverage of an out-of-control drug maker that destroyed lives and paid a price for doing so, which was the inspiration for the film. Then we check out a podcast extra with Greg Lukianoff, President of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. Greg was on the show this past week discussing his new book, The Canceling of the American Mind: Cancel Culture Undermines Trust, Destroys Institutions, and Threatens Us All—but There Is a Solution.
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04/11/23•33m 52s
Dalmatian Bumps, The Cuckoo's Nest Effect, and Heists Adjusted For Inflation
Walt Hickey is a Pulitzer Prize-winning data journalist and also a real pop-culture-impersonated peruser. His new book is You Are What You Watch, How Movies and TV Affect Everything, and he makes a good case. Plus, when it comes to cease fires, casualties, and rules of engagement in Gaza, meanings are fluid.
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03/11/23•42m 35s
The Principled Never Tern A Blind Eye
What do George Santo, the Stellar's Jay, Donald Trump, the Anna Hummingbird, Adam Kinzinger, and the Cooper's Hawk all have in common? Yes, they are all in the news today. Yes, they are all on the show today. But their common connection, as far as we're concerned, is that their fates were governed by principles. Tune in to learn how.
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02/11/23•36m 5s
Geese Buffalo Sensors, Prisoners On The Lam
In Philadelphia, an after-action report on the prisoners who escaped a city jail, despite the best efforts of napping and non-fence-repairing guards. Plus, the difference between an odious threat and an actual chant. And we're joined by Laura Meckler, author of Dream Town: Shaker Heights and the Quest for Racial Equity, about the Ohio suburb that tried and tried ... and still tries ... to get the thorniest question in American Education right.
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01/11/23•36m 21s
When Intellectual Rigor Is No Longer De Rigueur
Greg Lukianoff, President of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, returns to continue our discussion about his new book, The Canceling of the American Mind: Cancel Culture Undermines Trust, Destroys Institutions, and Threatens Us All—but There Is a Solution. Plus, how much has changed in the degree to which Joe Biden backs Israel. And Dean Phillips is a Presidential candidate for Halloween! How cute.
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31/10/23•34m 14s
Counting On Hamas For A Count
President Biden is pretty suspicious about official counts emanating from the Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza. News outlets aren't squelching those figures, but they are labelling the agency the "Hamas-controlled health ministry." And Greg Lukianoff, President of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, discusses his new book, The Canceling of the American Mind: Cancel Culture Undermines Trust, Destroys Institutions, and Threatens Us All—but There Is a Solution. Plus, a made man who didn't sock away sufficient savings from the Lufthansa Heist.
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30/10/23•34m 12s
BEST OF THE GIST: The Power, Wealth And How We Use Them Edition
Melissa DeRosa is out with a new book, What's Left Unsaid: My Life at the Center of Power, Politics & Crisis, and we had her on the show earlier this week to talk about her experiences in the Andrew Cuomo administration. On this episode of BEST OF THE GIST, a podcast extra with Melissa about power and her assessment of how it was used and wielded in the state house of New York. Naive people, be ready to be disabused of your notions of power. Then we listen back to Monday’s Spiel about the latest reports on the wealth gap in America.
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28/10/23•33m 19s
Israel’s Existential Threat Matrix
As the world debates Middle East peace, Israeli defense expert Kobi Michael gives us a window into how he and many of his countrymen are thinking about this moment. He says it’s not so much a daunting theoretical challenge as it is simply life or death. We talk ground offensive, Hezbollah, tunnel fighting, and how American opinion will ultimately impact Israeli tactics. Plus, in the wake of yet another horrific mass shooting, how Maine compares to other states in this awful category.
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27/10/23•37m 3s
Too Much Justice Scares The System
Stephen Bright is a death penalty lawyer and critic of our illogical, slapdash system of criminal justice. He's out with a new book, The Fear of Too Much Justice: Race, Poverty, and the Persistence of Inequality in the Criminal Courts. Plus, why Americans hate the robust economy. And a Polish priest wants us to look up the definition of "sex orgy." So we do.
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26/10/23•39m 30s
What Makes Protests Fail
Vincent Bevins has covered Brazil for the Los Angeles Times, and Southeast Asia for the Washington Post, and during his tenure he's covered many protest movements. In his new book, If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution, Bevins weaves together the various movements and examines their lessons. He'll discuss what works, what doesn't, and if the protesters realize this themselves. And it's pits for a peach company. Plus, a Speaker!
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25/10/23•30m 8s
"Andrew Cuomo Resigned For This?"
Melissa DeRosa was a top aide to Andrew Cuomo, and her new memoir is titled What's Left Unsaid: My Life at the Center of Power, Politics & Crisis. DeRosa is back to discuss the sexual harassment scandal that brought down her former boss. Plus, a call for university presidents to be more condemnatory of pro-Palestinian sentiments. And the United States of America's LinkedIn Page reflects a certain key position is unfilled. Can you guess which?
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24/10/23•38m 13s
Pushing Back On Pushing Out Cuomo
Melissa DeRosa was the closest aide and top advisor to former NY State Governor, Andrew Cuomo. In her new memoir titled What's Left Unsaid: My Life at the Center of Power, Politics & Crisis, she examines the trauma of the pandemic and offers perspective and new information about the scandals that befell her former boss. Plus, is calculating the death toll in Israel compared to 9/11 clarifying or misleading? And the latest wealth figures offer good news—both overall, and in terms of the the black-white wealth gap.
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23/10/23•36m 39s
For Your Consideration: No Small Endeavor
“A lot of people think we have a violence problem, but it doesn't seem to be the case; but where we are different is in terms of guns,” says Dr. David Hemenway of Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center. He makes the case for a public health approach which treats gun violence as an epidemic to be mitigated through practical long-term solutions. In addition, Professors Chris Hays and Carly Crouch of Fuller Theological Seminary discuss their book God and Guns, examining the presumed correlation between American Christianity and support of gun ownership. To close, Diane Latiker shares what peacemaking might look like on the ground in the face of such bleak realities.
Today, we’re sharing a special episode from No Small Endeavor, produced by our friends at Great Feeling Studios and PRX. Hosted by award-winning professor Lee C. Camp, the No Small Endeavor podcast thoughtfully merges the world of theology with arts, society, and politics. Like this episode, where award-winning professor Lee C. Camp sits down with Dr. David Hemenway of Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center and Professors Chris Hays and Carly Crouch of Fuller Theological Seminary to talk about the gun epidemic in America and what can be done to stop gun violence.
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22/10/23•51m 59s
BEST OF THE GIST: The Slippery Truth Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, this past week was a big one in the life and career of House of Representatives member Jim Jordan. The 59-year-old Ohioan reportedly tried to browbeat his colleagues into choosing him as their leader, and, as of Friday evening, he hadn’t done so successfully. So, to put some context to this moment, we dug up a 2018 Spiel we thought might help paint a more full picture of Jim. After that, we’ll listen back to our past Tuesday Spiel, in which Mike asked, “Who, really, is endangering the Gazan citizens?”
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21/10/23•25m 43s
With The Heights Of The Depths
A volume that deals with the heights of the depths The Blue Machine: How the Ocean Works is the latest work by Helen Czerski, British physicist, oceanographer, and expert on things vast and briny. Plus, Biden resonated with Israelis. And examining conflict in Gaza though U.S. ethnic identity.
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20/10/23•39m 13s
Church (Commission) And State
Today, a double interview. First, Mike is joined by David Wain, founding member of the influential and anarchically funny sketch comedy group The State, who are touring now. Then, we turn to Michael Vickers, former under secretary of defense for intelligence in the Obama Administration, about his new book By All Means Available: Memoirs of a Life in Intelligence, Special Operations, and Strategy. Plus, Georgia State Prosecutors crack the case of the Kraken, as Sidney Powell pleads.
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19/10/23•45m 4s
Misinformation: Hard To Combat, Slippery To Define
An interview with Dr. Dannagal G. Young, author of Wrong: How Media, Politics, and Identity Drive our Appetite for Misinformation. Plus, sorting out who fired rockets, or dropped bombs, on or near a hospital in Gaza.
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18/10/23•42m 41s
The First Definitive History Of Covid In The U.S.
Joe Nocera and Bethany McLean are out with The Big Fail: What the Pandemic Revealed About Who America Protects and Who It Leaves Behind. Among those who failed include those who bungled PPE procurement, prolonged school closings and lock downs, and misstated "the science." Plus, who is really trying to keep Gazans alive? And wrestling with the possibility of Jim Jordan as Speaker.
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17/10/23•38m 5s
Has Hamas Laid A Trap?
Matthew Levitt, Fromer-Wexler Fellow at The Washington Institute and director of its Jeanette and Eli Reinhard Program on Counterterrorism and Intelligence, discusses operational failures that led to Hamas' terrorist attacks and analyses worst-case scenarios. Plus, an examination of the trope of Gaza as "outdoor prison." And international election results in Poland, New Zealand, and Ecuador go every which way.
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16/10/23•32m 41s
BEST OF THE GIST: Swords of Iron Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, during Mike’s interview with Tablet Editor In Chief Alana Newhouse, which aired this past week, they discussed what’s going on in social media in the days after Hamas attacked and killed over a thousand Israelis. Israel has since retaliated, killing at least as many Palestinians. Then we listen back to Mike’s 2014 interview with Dr. Dalia Gavriely-Nuri from The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. She offered translations and insight into Israeli operation names such as Operation Protective Edge (2014)and Operation Pillar of Defense (2012). Israel has named its ongoing response to the Hamas October 7th attack Operation Swards of Iron.
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14/10/23•19m 48s
A Pound Of Promise Yields 10 oz. Of Cure
Rajiv Shah is the former Administrator of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), and current President of the Rockefeller Foundation. In his new book, Big Bets: How Large-Scale Change Really Happens, he argues that big ambitious asks are the key to progress. But won't that sometimes disappoint or tempt the askers or the asked to discount any progress that's less than total? Plus, much of the the left is immolating itself with it's defense of Hamas. And in the Antwentig, Airplane!'s inspiration goes unignored.
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13/10/23•40m 20s
Every Hamas Member A Dead Man
Steven Simon, former official with the Obama and Clinton administrations concedes that, yes, Israel really could decimate Hamas as a fighting force, but the costs might be enormous. Plus, Biden wisely froze Iran's $6 billion. And most Dallas math students are advanced, while also doing horribly in math.
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12/10/23•39m 43s
A "Brokenism" Breakdown
Everything in the U.S.—and maybe the West—is Broken. It's decayed. What once worked didn't; what never did fails to launch. Alana Newhouse, Editor-in-Chief of Tablet Magazine, who invented the term "Brokenism," is here to explain why it's an apt description, but also one that offers hope. A close observer and chronicler of Israeli society, we get into what Alana is reporting and feeling about the war there. Also, Kamal Harris struggles with answers. And different factions just can't abide living in a moment of U.S. unity behind Israel.
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11/10/23•35m 39s
In Trump's Fraud Who's the Victim?
Dennis Vacco, former Attorney General of the state of New York, joins the show to discuss the state's prosecution of the former President. Plus, how the war in Israel differs from territorial disputes. And the finding out about fungibility of funds for Iran.
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10/10/23•37m 13s
Columbus Day ... Or Maybe Not
On this Indigenous Peoples Day we examine Mike's past—and even further past—stances on the "discoverer" of "America," and if we should be playing "best-of" segments today or originals. Plus, an archival interview with Steve Inskeep about his book Jacksonland: President Andrew Jackson, Cherokee Chief John Ross, and a Great American Land Grab.
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09/10/23•33m 48s
Israel Attacked, The World Appalled
Mike's reaction to Saturday's attack against Israel.
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09/10/23•9m 49s
BEST OF THE GIST: Mr. Speaker Edition
With Kevin McCarthy ousted from his dream job, we decided to look back at one of the most influential Speakers to ever serve, Newt Gingrich. First we listen back to Mike’s interview with Steve Kornacki’s latest book, The Red and the Blue: The 1990s and the Birth of Political Tribalism. Then we check out Mike’s 2020 interview with Princeton History and Public Affairs Professor Julian Zelizer about his book Burning Down the House: Newt Gingrich, the Fall of a Speaker, and the Rise of the New Republican Party. Have a great holiday weekend, and just know that no matter how bad your weekend may seem, it was better than Kevin McCarthy’s.
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07/10/23•40m 2s
Trevor Bauer Victim Or Victim Blamer?
Former LA Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer was essentially run out of baseball after an accusation of sexual assault was lodged against him. Bauer always maintained his innocence, and this week, with the settlement of a legal suit, he posted information on social media that, while incomplete, seems at least somewhat, if not wholly, exculpatory. Mike examines the media's paralysis in covering this matter and ideological media's willingness to lead the way. Plus, Yascha Mounk is out with a new book, The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time. It's an excellent intellectual and practical examination of what some call identity politics and what Mounk rebrands as "identity synthesis." The Washington Post says, "Mounk has told the story of the Great Awokening better than any other writer who has attempted to make sense of it."
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06/10/23•36m 50s
Picked The Wrong Week To Stop Sniffing Glue
The 1978 movie Airplane! was a disruptive force in comedy filmmaking, redefining what (and who) was funny. We discuss what went into making the iconic film—from joke density to the line that Sigourney Weaver just wouldn’t say—with two of the films writer-directors, Jim Abrahams and David Zucker. They have authored a new book, Surely, You Can’t Be Serious: The True Story of Airplane! Plus, the Peace Corps is rejecting applicants for mental health issues. And a tragic death leads to more disinformation about public security from a public official.
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05/10/23•40m 31s
Life Lessons From Peyton Manning
Sally Jenkins, sports columnist for the Washington Post, is out with The Right Call: What Sports Teach Us About Work And Life. We can learn from Andy Reid about time management and Peyton Manning about purposefully opening his own feet up to attack. Plus, the Belarussian SOBR unit is drunk with power. And are the eight Republican defectors really "hard right?"
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04/10/23•37m 31s
Keep Your Friends Close And The Know-Nothing Doughfaces Closer
In Differ We Must: How Lincoln Succeeded In a Divided America, NPR"s Steve Inskeep details how the 16th President used conversation, engagement, compromise, and tact to play the political hand he was dealt, without alienating factions, even those he could not abide. Plus, California has a trail-blazing senator whose a lot of things, just not a Californian. Also on the show, a great day for Matt Gaetz's ego is a less-good day for orderly government.
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03/10/23•34m 39s
Muzzling Trigger Warnings
Recently in The Atlantic, Jill Filipovic wrote an article titled "I Was Wrong About Trigger Warnings: Has the national obsession with trauma done real damage to teen girls?" We discuss the costs of referreing to the merely "annoying" as a "trauma," and how social justice movements have become therapy spaces. Plus, Donald Trump excoriates the very judge about to fine him. Also on the show, shutting down Matt Gaetz.
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02/10/23•33m 2s
BEST OF THE GIST: U.S. History Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, an extra from our two-part interview with Heather Cox Richardson, which aired this past week. She read every copy of the New York Times from the end of the Civil War to the turn of the century. Listen to find out why. Then, to keep the history theme alive, we listen back to Mike’s 2015 interview with the iconic Sarah Vowell of This American Life and The Incredibles fame. They discuss Lafayette’s contribution to the independence of the United States.
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30/09/23•31m 32s
The Hippest Thing About Adam Sandler's Aching Hip
Max Kerman, lead singer of Arkells, talks about how to write songs in an age of law suits, and the often weird ways a song gets placed in films and commercials. Plus, Brooklyn Deluge! And the democracy-loving Dems would have done something about Diane Feinstein.
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29/09/23•39m 6s
A Constitution Ripe For Authoritarian Exploitation
We're joined again by Heather Cox Richardson to continue discussing her new book Democracy Awakening: Notes on the State of America. Rutherford B. Hayes gets taken down a peg. Also on the show, the second Republican debate wasn't great. Plus, pods about getting frisky with a dolphin, and a nudist colony serving as a witness protection program.
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28/09/23•35m 0s
Phil-Loot-Delphia
Historian and author Heather Cox Richardson is out with a new book, Democracy Awakening: Notes on the State of America. Richardson is hopeful, though a thorough reading of history does not invite a particularly blithe posture. Plus, Philadelphia is hit with a spate of looting and a surprising judicial ruling. And Vivek Ramaswamy has the clever comeback at the ready.
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27/09/23•35m 57s
It's The Corruption, Stupid
Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks is a progressive who loathes the toxic left and points to corruption as the unifying explanation as to why there's so much wrong with our system. But don't worry, because Justice Is Coming: How Progressives Are Going to Take Over the Country and America Is Going to Love It ... well, that's the title of his new book, anyway. Plus, the U.S. recognizes a new nation that's also the nation of Niue. Also on the show, really hard-hitting follow ups to silly questions.
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26/09/23•35m 42s
Island Of The Cancelled
A young physicist working on high-temperature superconductivity follows her mentor to an island established as a haven for the "cancelled and deplorables" shunned elsewhere. "How I won a Nobel Prize” is the name of this novel perfectly calibrated to our times, Mike interviews author Julius Taranto. Plus, Senator Menendez won't resign, but doesn't offer an explanation about the unusually large number of gold bars found at his residence. And with President Biden close to, or trailing, Donald Trump in polls, Mike asks "What's most likely to change about those numbers?"
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25/09/23•34m 47s
BEST OF THE GIST: Labor Unions and Fake Anthrax Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, with automotive labor unions preparing for a huge battle, we listen back to Mike’s 2016 interview with Steven Greenhouse, author of the 2008 book The Big Squeeze: Tough Times for the American Worker. Then we replay Wednesday’s Spiel, in which Mike accuses Hasan Minhaj of concocting fakes in the name of comedy. Also, the rest of the world accused him, too.
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23/09/23•28m 41s
Trump vs Boris Johnson As Cult Leader
Rory Stewart is back to discuss his new memoir How Not To Be A Politician and his podcast The Rest Is Politics. We discuss America's oversized role in shaping culture and politics beyond its borders. Plus, how the popularity of the UAW strike doesn't mean that much in terms of who will win the strike. And it's the rarest of moments, when an Antwentig comes on the 500th episode of Season 2 of The Gist.
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22/09/23•41m 2s
Politics Was Making Him Stupider Every Day
Rory Stewart is a former member of British Parliament, Harvard instructor, soldier, diplomat, cabinet minister, and traverser of Asia via foot. The co-host of The Rest Is Politics Podcast, we discuss his latest book How Not To Be A Politician. Plus, STOP REGULATING WOMENS BODIES, if by regulating you mean considering whether some lightly compensated past porn with her husband should factor into an election bid. Also, Trump met the Press, so what's the problem?
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21/09/23•39m 15s
What's An Accurate Intersex Accounting?
Alicia Roth Weigel, author of the memoir Inverse Cowgirl, is back to discuss her row with conservative radio host Stephen Crowder, and why it's in the interest of activists to state that 2% of the population is intersex. Plus, Hasan Minhaj concocts fakes in the name of comedy. And Merritt Garland testifies before congress, and there's not much interest in his answers.
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20/09/23•32m 13s
Everything You Wanted To Know About Intersex...
Activist and member of Austin's Human Rights Commission, Alicia Roth Weigel discusses her new memoir Inverse Cowgirl about being Intersex. We talk about her experience and discuss the ethics of operations on infants and how much to blame parents working with the best information they have. Plus, Lauren Boebert's theatrics. And the chilling effect of criticizing Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis for issuing a character statement for convicted rapist Danny Masterson.
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19/09/23•35m 56s
Politics Is A Fist Utah's Governor Wants To Unclench
Utah Governor Spencer Cox wants his enemies to be heard, his opponents to feel valued, and his sparring partners to never feel wounded. Is this any way to run a state? He says yes, and as Chair of the National Governor's Association, he's taking his "Disagree Better" platform national. Plus, Texas AG Ken Paxton is acquitted by a jury of his peers ... literally, including his wife, because of snazzy lawyerin' and political self-interest.
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18/09/23•39m 15s
BEST OF THE GIST: Great Leader Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, with North Korea and Russia’s meeting focusing the news media this week, we listen back to Mike’s 2019 interview with Washington Post reporter Anna Fifield who had just written a fascinating book on Kim Jong-un. She spoke with people who had real life interactions with the man, in an effort to get the clearest picture yet of what the head of the Kim dynasty is really like. Fifield’s book is The Great Successor: The Divinely Perfect Destiny of Brilliant Comrade Kim Jong Un. Then we listen back to the Wednesday Spiel Joe and Hunter.
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16/09/23•29m 45s
Overturning Convictions By Debunking The Junk
M. Chris Fabricant is the Director of Strategic Litigation for the Innocence Project. His new book is Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System. Plus, a Senate without Mitt. And the UAW strikes for wages and trash cans.
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15/09/23•31m 19s
In Defense Of The SAT
Denigrating the SAT is to trendy educational stances as deleting the Abolishing Ice movement is to helpful immigration policy. There are 1,600 reasons—or maybe 5 or 6—why the SAT has validity, and Mike says some of them. Plus, Mike trusts Google to inform him that Hispanic Heritage month starts tomorrow. And we listen to part two of our talk with Vincent Schiraldi author of Mass Supervision: Probation, Parole, and the Illusion of Safety and Freedom.
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14/09/23•39m 20s
He Ran Rikers And Now Probes Probation
Vincent Schiraldi was the commissioner of New York City's Department of Correction and is now Secretary of Juvenile Services of Maryland. We talk about his new book Mass Supervision: Probation, Parole, and the Illusion of Safety and Freedom, and discuss if there is a real path to true reform. Plus, the impeachment game is afoot. Also, the Pennsylvania prisoner is captured.
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13/09/23•29m 37s
Andrew Yang Goes Dark
Andrew Yang and Stephen Marche have co-authored a new novel which is out today, The Last Election. In it, we follow a character not unlike Yang himself—a maverick political outsider whose slogan is, "Do the Math." But in this alternative reality, the candidate's appeal injects uncertainty into a system which devolves into a state of chaos and violence. Also on the show, why the Pennsylvania prison escapee is playing like less of a captivating adventure than past prison break-out stories.
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12/09/23•36m 16s
A Maritime, Marital Novel
How do you co-write a novel with your spouse? Chris Bachelder and Jennifer Habel did it sentence by sentence in Dayswork. It's a new novel about one spouse's obsession with Moby Dick, and the other spouse alternating between harpooning bad ideas, serving as lookout, and blubbering. Plus, cookin' with Donna Brazile. And, let us be clear, Kamala Harris needs to veer from the script.
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11/09/23•38m 30s
BEST OF THE GIST: Vegemite Sandwich Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we listen to Mike’s 2020 conversation with Hit Parade podcast host and music writer Chris Molanphy about 1983s top songs, all of which are now 40 years old. Then we replay Wednesday’s Spiel, in which Mike laments about the non-news story that is “near misses” on runways around the nation.
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09/09/23•31m 39s
A Marathon Of Charitable Frivolity
We're joined by the writer and director of the new film Office Race—starring Beck Bennett and Joel McHale—Jared Lapidus and James Kilmoon. We talk nipple balm and gaming the search function on the Comedy Central interface. Plus, Mike Pence is a perfectly uncharismatic Republican for this moment. And the triumphant return of the rapper Gunna is gunna happen this weekend.
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08/09/23•35m 41s
How The Privileged Roll The Proles
Freddie DeBoer drops by to discuss his new book, How Elites Ate The Social Justice Movement. In Texas, a judge spikes buoys. And, in Alabama, somehow the same group of Republicans who keeps screwing up the congressional map keeps getting to screw up the congressional maps.
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07/09/23•36m 10s
Korean Teachers Abused By Parents
Massive demonstrations in Seoul mark the anguish of Korean teachers pushed to the brink by pushy parents. Plus, the miracle of air safety is presented as a crisis. And more with Foer—Franklin Foer, author of The Last Politician: Inside Joe Biden's White House and the struggle for America's Future.
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06/09/23•35m 9s
Joe Biden's Superpower
Franklin Foer, author of The Last Politician: Inside Joe Biden's White House, argues that being a politician is not an insult. In the Joe Biden view of the world, it's the explanation for his philosophy and success. Plus, the querulously quitting Qantas CEO. And, once again, we hit the BRICS.
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05/09/23•40m 23s
A Pesca Plus For The Rest Of Us!
Today on The Gist, a gift. We are giving all of our listeners a taste of what Pesca Plus subscribers get each week, namely a regular episode but with an extended cut of a fantastic interview. This was our June 21, 2023 show, in which Mike interviews comic genius Steven Wright about his first novel Harold. We discuss Wright's thought process, how his rate of speech works for him, and how, after all these years, he still doesn't know if a joke is funny. Plus, we're living in a golden age of nuggets. And how the 6-3 Court isn't behaving at all 6-3.
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04/09/23•44m 55s
BEST OF THE GIST: Labor Day Weekend Edition
The globe may be warming, but that doesn’t stop summer from coming to an end. So, in honor of the long weekend which symbolizes the transition from summer vacation to back-to-school, we dug up a couple gems from The Gist’s archives. First up, to honor the return to school, we are replaying Mike’s 2017 interview with Lenora Chu, author of Little Soldiers: An American Boy, a Chinese School, and the Global Race to Achieve, which tells the story of her American family’s rude awakening to Chinese education practices. When Chu moved her family to Shanghai, she eagerly enrolled her young son into an elite Chinese public school. She expected academic rigor and an emphasis on work ethic. But she was surprised to find authoritarian teachers and desperate, obsequious parents. Then, to honor the long weekend, an encouragement to watch some 80s movies this weekend in the form of Mike’s 2016 interview with Hadley Freeman, author of Life Moves Pretty Fast: The Lessons We Learned From Eighties Movies (and Why We Don’t Learn Them From Movies Anymore).
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02/09/23•32m 32s
I WAS WRONG: The Nunes Memo
Yesterday, Mike unpacked how and why he was wrong about the Central Park Karen story, and today he has a couple more points to make about his wrongness. Then rewind back to 2018, when, with the Muller investigation filling the headlines, the Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes issued a memo titled "Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Abuses at the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation," alleging that the Steele Dossier was nonsense. When the memo surfaced, Mike had a ball calling Nunes a "nincompoop" for issuing it, and for just generally being a nincompoop (which is a fun word, you have to admit), but since then, Mike's position on the matter has changed, and he wants to explain how.
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01/09/23•25m 39s
I WAS WRONG: The Central Park Karen
In May 2020, Amy Cooper had her dog off leash in New York City's Central Park, when a black bird watcher name Christian Cooper asked her to leash her dog. In response, Amy Cooper said she would call the police and tell them that "an African American man" was threatening her. A video of the incident went viral, and "the Central Park Karen" was born. Only, the story was more nuanced than the media had led many to believe about what had really transpired that day, and it was reporter Kmele Foster who dug into this story and found levels of detail which, upon reading it, made Mike rethink his position on this incident.
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31/08/23•37m 58s
I WAS WRONG: Aziz Ansari
While Mike is on vacation, we are revisiting topics he was wrong about. Today we take on Aziz Ansari. Back in 2018, a woman using the pseudonym "Grace" accused Aziz of sexual misconduct on the website Babe.net. Aziz came back in 2019 to address the accusation in the Netflix special Aziz Ansari: Right Now. On today's show, Mike talks about his previous conversation on the topic and how, looking back now, he was wrong.
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30/08/23•23m 29s
I WAS WRONG: Louis C.K.
While Mike is on vacation, we are revisiting topics he was wrong about. Today we tackle Louis C.K. Back in 2017, the comedian was at the top of his game, when multiple women accused him of sexual misconduct. As the news swirled, Mike predicted that Louis could rehab his career and return to the pinnacle of comedy ... but those predictions did not come true. On today's show, how Mike got it wrong.
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29/08/23•22m 56s
I WAS WRONG: Swedish Covid Deaths
This week, Mike is on a well-earned vacation, but before he left, he wanted to correct the record on a few topics he felt he had misled listeners about over recent years. On Day One of "I Was Wrong" week, Mike reflects back on a judgement he made about Sweden's reaction to the corona virus pandemic. This was in May 2020, early in the pandemic, when countries were faced with choosing whether to lockdown or not lockdown, and Sweden went a different direction than most.
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28/08/23•21m 41s
BEST OF THE GIST: Pop Music Edition
Each week on Best Of The Gist, we give you something from the past week and a deep cut from the archives, and this week we’re starting off with Mike’s Tuesday Spiel, in which he listens to the #1 song “Rich Men North Of Richmond” for the first time and reacts. Then we rewind to 2017 for his interview with NPR music critic Ann Powers about music’s roll in the sexual revolution. “Tutti Fruitti…good booty.” Yes, that was the original lyric.
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26/08/23•31m 32s
Listen Now: Sports Explains the World
Sports Explains the World unveils some of the wildest and most surprising sports stories you’ve never heard - And they’re all true. From the teenager who wrote a Wikipedia page that got a young athlete signed to a million-dollar deal - to the Ugandan National basketball coach who was really an undercover agent for the CIA, these stories will amaze and move you at every turn. Reported by award-winning journalists across the globe, Sports Explains the World reveals the human side of athletics in provocative and unexpected ways. You’ll never view sports the same way again.
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26/08/23•8m 6s
Plastic Straw Critics Were Always A Straw Man
A new study shows that paper and bamboo straws are WORSE for the environment and the human body than plastic straws in important ways. Plus, the death of Yvegeny Prigozhin was confirmed by his ol' pal Putin. And an interview with Guy Nattiv on his new film, Golda.
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25/08/23•38m 14s
Forgiving The Fumble-Fisted, Not The Underhanded
USC professor Peter Kim, author of How Trust Works: The Science of How Relationships Are Built, Broken, and Repaired, says that when the violation is one of competence, we're forgiving, but when it's one of integrity ... we do not. Broad treatises on trust that fail to distinguish between the two types are destined to not just fail but do more damage than if we just lied. Also on the show, when songs topping the charts are reviewed by those trailing in the polls. And Andrew Yang on the Vivek-quake.
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24/08/23•34m 7s
Candidates Going "Full Prigozhin" On The Leader
Tonight's Milwaukee debate presents a chance for the absent Donald Trump's fellow Republicans to offer a frontal assault, a sideward glance, or a kiss on the backside. Plus, the free-floating anxiety of death tolls estimated and unknown. And we're once more joined by Martha Hodes, author of My Hijacking: A Personal History of Forgetting and Remembering.
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23/08/23•35m 22s
Hijacking A Memory ... And Also An Actual 12 Year Old
Martha Hodes is now a professor of history at NYU, where she teaches students techniques of interweaving their first-person accounts and the historical record. But in 1970, she was a 12 year old flying back from Israel, when her plane was hijacked. Her new book, My Hijacking: A Personal History of Forgetting and Remembering, tells that story, then it examines the story she and the other victims told themselves over the years. Also on the show, listening to (for the first time) the #1 song "Rich Men North of Richmond." And there is only one new car that sells for under $20,000 ... and the consequences are dire for a certain studio audience.
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22/08/23•40m 41s
Uber Uber Alles
Uber is actually turning a profit, and it's looking like it could realize the once-seeming-long-shot goals of its founders and investors. Ali Griswold, who writes the Oversharing Substack Newsletter joins us to discuss. Plus, a Russian rocket fails. And, at a meet-up of the BRICS nations, South Africa, Russia, and China are, in fact, there to make friends.
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21/08/23•35m 27s
BEST OF THE GIST: Politics-On-A-Stick Edition
The Iowa State Fair is in its final weekend, and, along with deep-fried delicacies, politics was in the air. That reminded us of Mike’s 2019 visit to Iowa ahead of the 2020 election, so we thought we’d replay his take on a political tradition that is very Midwestern. Then we rewind to this past Wednesday to listen to Mike’s Spiel about the U.S. Women’s National soccer team crashing out of the World Cup, and who (or what) was to blame.
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19/08/23•29m 35s
To Sound The Maui Sirens?
Herman Andaya, Maui’s emergency chief decided not to sound sirens before the fires scorched Lahaina, which seems like an obvious mistake. But all the officials agreed, to do so would have been a contradiction of policy ... and perhaps a dangerous one. Andaya was pushed out anyway, though he was, to some extent, the author of his own fate. And how much was Barbenheimer Hollywood's salvation? We talk franchise movies and box office with John Campea. And superheroes aren't the only ones failing to deliver the goods. Superconductors—at least room temperature ones—remain works of fiction.
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18/08/23•31m 52s
Trump Diehards And De-Meh-Crats
With 151 days until the Iowa Caucuses, we're joined by Amy Walter, Publisher and Editor-in-Chief of the Cook Political Report with Amy Walter and the host of The Odd Years, a Cook Political Report podcast. She says that if Trump is to be felled, it won't be through arguments that strike Democrats as especially powerful. Plus, a Ron DeSantis debate prep dump. And the military's recruitment woes cannot blamed on woke-ism.
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17/08/23•38m 43s
A Georgia Defense Lawyer Walks Us Through The Charges
Noah Pines, a top Atlanta-based litigator, assesses the strength of Fani Willis's indictment of Donald Trump and eighteen others, with special attention given to the specifics of Georgia state law, and the state's unique RICO statute. Plus, Vivek Ramaswamy's rap. And the North Koreans "explain" why a U.S. soldier ran into their arms.
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16/08/23•35m 33s
The Science Of Covid Misdirection
Donald G. McNeil Jr., former NY Times Pulitzer Prize winning science and health reporter specializing in plagues, discusses the leading scientists who dismissed his inquiries into a covid's origins. Their paper “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2”, solidified the idea that there was nothing to a lab leak, even as they were internally admitting there couldn't entirely dismiss the lab leak theory. McNeil, for the first time, discusses his reaction to the science, and scientists. Plus, the Georgia Trump indictment, and World Cup failure of the USWNT was stupidly blamed on their politics, but does that mean questioning their mentality is out-of-bounds?
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15/08/23•39m 42s
African Prisons Too Crowded For Ex-Presidents
Horror movies are one of those invisible dividing lines of society. You either watch them, or you don’t. Alison Leiby, co-host of Ruined, a podcast reviewing horror movies, would present as an American who loves the horror genre, but wait … she’s only seen three horror movies in her life. How does she do it? Mike and Alison discuss. Also, in African political news, leaders in and out of jails. And, in Argentina, the democratic battle cry rings out: “Long live freedom, damn it!”
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14/08/23•31m 23s
BEST OF THE GIST: Population and Bathrooms Edition
In this installment of Best Of The Gist, we listen back to Mike’s 2020 roundtable discussion with journalists Richard Kreitner and Matthew Yglesias about how each of their then-new books addressed the problem of an ever-increasing American population. Yglesias’ book is One Billion Americans: The Case for Thinking Big, and Kreitner’s is Break It Up: Secession, Division, and the Secret History of America’s Imperfect Union. Then we listen back to Mike’s Spiel from Wednesday, August 9, 2020, in which he ponders what really happened when a boy in a skirt assaulted a girl in the girls bathroom in a Virginia public school. The facts, while not always conveyed with accuracy, do not add up to a conservative-driven lie or twisted culture-war fantasy.
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12/08/23•36m 58s
Jumping The Gungan
Jar Jar Binks—meant to be a lovable, floppy-eared character in a Star Wars prequel—brought the heat of both of Tatooine’s suns unto the movie, the actor who played the character, and the entire Star Wars franchise. That sort of internet-sponsored hate was new, and it’s now being examined in the podcast The Redemption Of Jar Jar Binks, hosted by Dylan Marron of the Conversations With People Who Hate Me podcast. Plus, a bunch of Barbie arguments, and a Trump (Donald) and a Biden (Hunter) each tangle with the law.
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11/08/23•40m 14s
Dead Drops, Cops, And Special Ops: The Novels Of Brad Thor
Dead Fall is the 23rd novel from the mind of Brad Thor. In it, an American performs an operation inside of Ukraine, and, for reasons of diplomatic sensitivity, Russia can never learn about it. Thor’s readership has many Republicans who might be opposed to continued U.S. funding in Ukraine. Thor knows this, and he’s writing not to convince them otherwise, but to lay out a typically exciting story that may make the stakes and morality more salient to all readers. Plus, $6 billion to release five Americans held by Iran. And ESPN bets.
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10/08/23•36m 50s
The Bathrooms Of Loudoun County
Two years hence, a New York Times Magazine story lays out, in more detail, what really happened when a boy in a skirt assaulted a girl in the girls bathroom in a Virginia public school. The facts, while not always conveyed with accuracy, do not add up to a conservative-driven lie or twisted culture-war fantasy. Plus, Olga Lautman of the Center for European Policy Analysis discussed how delays are hurting the Ukrainian counteroffensive. And Target is protested for stocking rainbow garments, then sued by the same people leading the protest … former Trump aid Stephen Miller chief among them.
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09/08/23•39m 54s
A Truly Deluded Trump Is A Truly Not Guilty Trump
New York Times Opinion writer David French makes the case that Jack Smith will have to prove that Donald Trump really did know he lost the election. Trump’s lawyer says that will never happen, but French argues that similar conclusions are arrived at by juries every day. Plus, there’s less plastic in the ocean that we thought … by a lot! Break out the hula hoops and fishing nets. Also, Ohio seeks a majority vote to push the threshold for a state constitutional amendment to a greater than majority vote.
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08/08/23•36m 0s
Selling Nuclear Secrets To The Soviets
Steve James, the documentary filmmaker behind Hoop Dreams is out with The Compassionate Spy, which tells the story of a young scientist named Ted Hall who worked on the Manhattan Project and then gave nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union. His motivation was to checkmate the United States nuclear power, which he did, but at the cost of Soviet advancement. Plus, Devon Archer causes Tucker Carlson to cackle, and Major Garrett gets right to the point.
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07/08/23•32m 4s