Desperately Seeking Wisdom
This is a podcast where well-known people talk about what they’ve learned from life - particularly the tough times. Guests have come from the worlds of entertainment, politics, business and journalism, including: Richard Curtis, George Alagiah, Amber Rudd, the Rev. Richard Coles, Lyse Doucet and David Baddiel. It’s a chance to hear their wisdom - and to think about how it might apply to your life…
After the Brexit vote, Craig Oliver's high-powered job and privileged position at the heart of the British government came to an abrupt end.
In the aftermath of that bruising battle, he despaired at how divided society had become, but also came to realise something fundamental was missing from his own life. Outwardly he was still achieving; but he realised he'd never felt comfortable in his own skin.
Life had always felt more of a grind than a gift – he'd always believed that if he only worked harder, he'd find fulfilment. Now he realised that wasn't the case. Like many others, he asked himself why he'd always had a constant feeling of unease and discontent?
He wondered what wise people had to say about how we can live better. Craig decided to try a different path to the one he'd travelled before, reading and listening to many people. Some had little to offer, but he found many revelatory.
Throughout this podcast series, Craig talks to some extraordinary people about the wisdom they've been able to take from the ups and downs of life - including traumas and triumphs - and finds out what they believe will help others gain peace of mind and heart.
After the Brexit vote, Craig Oliver's high-powered job and privileged position at the heart of the British government came to an abrupt end.
In the aftermath of that bruising battle, he despaired at how divided society had become, but also came to realise something fundamental was missing from his own life. Outwardly he was still achieving; but he realised he'd never felt comfortable in his own skin.
Life had always felt more of a grind than a gift – he'd always believed that if he only worked harder, he'd find fulfilment. Now he realised that wasn't the case. Like many others, he asked himself why he'd always had a constant feeling of unease and discontent?
He wondered what wise people had to say about how we can live better. Craig decided to try a different path to the one he'd travelled before, reading and listening to many people. Some had little to offer, but he found many revelatory.
Throughout this podcast series, Craig talks to some extraordinary people about the wisdom they've been able to take from the ups and downs of life - including traumas and triumphs - and finds out what they believe will help others gain peace of mind and heart.
Episodes
Jonathan Scott Lee
This is a special edition of Desperately Seeking Wisdom.Just after we completed the third season a few months ago, Craig began began talking to Jonathan Scott Lee. In 2023, Jonathan's daughter, Caitlyn, took her own life at the exclusive Wickham Abbey School. Her tragic death was covered widely in the media and forced him to confront some hard questions about why Caitlyn did what she did. As a regular listener to the series, Jonathan wondered if others might like to hear about what he went through and learned; in this episode, you'll hear Jonathan is brave, thoughtful, and challenging in explaining how his neurodiversity affected him coming to terms with what happened to him and his family.If you've been affected by discussions of suicide, you can find help at the Samaritans website: www.samaritans.org
02/09/24•36m 50s
Tanni Grey-Thompson - Part 2
Baroness Tanni-Grey Thompson is one of Britain’s most successful athletes, having won 16 Paralympic medals, including 11 golds. In part two of our conversation, we talk about what Tanni has learnt from moving from being a elite athlete to working in the House of Lords...as well as the wisdom her father gave her, when he told her to think of herself as a 'Venn Diagram'. This is the last episode of our current season. All of our episodes, from every season, are available now and we have a fantastic variety of guests for you to explore if you haven’t heard them already including George Alagiah, Richard Curtis, Amber Rudd, The Reverend Richard Coles and Ruth Davidson.This epsiode was produced by Red Bicycle.
04/04/24•25m 59s
Tanni Grey-Thompson - Part 1
Baroness Tanni-Grey Thompson is one of Britain’s most successful athletes, having won 16 Paralympic medals, including 11 golds. Since retiring, she’s transferred her drive to a different arena, the House of Lords. In part one of our conversation, we discuss where her positive attitude comes from and explore how she’s achieved such remarkable success throughout her life. We discuss how she has learnt not to react to the steady stream of prejudice she faces and she also refers to the action movie Under Siege, a first for the podcast...Part two of our conversation is out on Thursday 4th April. This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
01/04/24•28m 43s
Sir Trevor McDonald - Part 2
Sir Trevor McDonald is one of our country’s most celebrated journalists and news presenters. In part two of our conversation, Sir Trevor talks in more detail about some of the defining moments of his career, including his reaction to hearing Nelson Mandela’s wisdom when he was released after nearly three full decades in prison.This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
28/03/24•36m 55s
Sir Trevor McDonald - Part 1
Sir Trevor McDonald is one of our country’s most celebrated journalists and news presenters. He rose from a poor childhood in Trinidad, to cover the biggest stories of our times - and became one of the most famous people in Britain while he was at it. It’s a unique story and in part one of our conversation we talk to Sir Trevor about what his childhood taught him and how an aspirational family environment prepared him for an extraordinary career.Part two of our conversation is out on Thursday 28th March. This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
25/03/24•28m 57s
Compilation 1 - Pieces of Wisdom
As part of season three, this is a special compilation episode featuring guests from season one and two. In the last couple of years we have had many inspiring conversations with people including Richard Curtis, the late George Alagiah, Amber Rudd, Sian Williams, David Baddiel and many more. You can listen to all of these episodes on our website - www.desperatelyseekingwisdom.com - or whereever you get your podcasts. But to give you a taste of these conversations, we’ve compiled a collection of some of the most memorable insights from our guests. First-up, wisdom. What rules do each of these guests live by?This compilation features the following people:Matt Forde, George Alagiah, Isobel Hardman, Ruth Davidson, Reverend Richard Coles, John Simpson, Richard Curtis, Tanya and Nadim Ednan-Laperous, Sian Williams and Kenny Imafidon.
21/03/24•30m 29s
Robi Damelin
Robi Damelin is a peace activist based in Israel. She's a leading voice in The Parents Circle - a grassroots Israeli-Palestinian organisation, made up of over 600 families who’ve all lost family members in the conflict and campaign for a non-violent response.Robi’s life was changed forever when her beloved son David was killed by a Palestinian sniper, twenty years ago. Her response was to reject violence and the idea of revenge and work for peace, something she's done ever since. In this conversation, we discuss how her work is needed more than ever after the attacks of 7th October 2023 and find out what she's learnt from 20 years of travelling the world meeting people who've lost family members in conflicts and attacks. Robi also shares her secrets for coping with her emotionally demanding work....which include music, whisky, laughter and cats. This episode was produced by Red Bicycle.
18/03/24•47m 19s
The Return of Matt Forde - Part 2
On Desperately Seeking Wisdom this week, we’re doing something we haven’t done before – speaking to a guest who has already been on the podcast, the comedian Matt Forde.We recorded Matt's first chat on the series less than a year ago and when we did Matt was about to get married. But soon after the happy day, he was diagnosed with cancer - a spine tumour that required major surgery towards the end of 2023.A few months on, Matt wanted to share how he coped with his cancer and the agonising pain. This is part two of our chat and we discuss why Matt thinks he's always had an optimistic mindset and how that helped him during his illness. We also look ahead to a year of politcal turmoil in the UK and US. This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
14/03/24•34m 23s
The Return of Matt Forde - Part 1
On Desperately Seeking Wisdom this week, we’re doing something we haven’t done before; speaking to a guest who has already been on the podcast, the comedian Matt Forde.We recorded Matt's first chat on the series less than a year ago and when we did Matt was about to get married. But soon after the happy day, he was diagnosed with cancer - a spine tumour that required major surgery towards the end of 2023.That's why this week we're talking to Matt to see how he's getting on. As you’ll hear, the recovery process has been intense and there’s still a long way to go. But Matt wanted to share how he coped with the agonising pain - and what he’s learned. This is part one of our conversation, part two is out on Thursday 14th March.This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
11/03/24•28m 36s
James Cracknell - Part 2
James Cracknell is a double Olympic Gold medallist, adventurer, and now Parliamentary candidate.In part two of our conversation, we discuss the horrific cycling accident that James suffered which changed his life forever - how he coped with it and what he's learnt from it. We also discuss his constant desire to tackle new challenges and what that says about who he is.This episode was produced by Red Bicycle.
07/03/24•21m 47s
James Cracknell - Part 1
James Cracknell is a double Olympic Gold medallist, adventurer, and now Parliamentary candidate. He’s faced some extraordinary highs and devastating lows – including being left brain-damaged after being hit by a truck travelling at 65mph.In part one of our conversation, we discuss how how he bounced back from the agony of having to miss his first Olympics due to illness and was able to use that pain to propel him to win gold four years later. We also talk about his extraordinary determination and ability to “empty the tanks” when you're faced with big challenges.Part two of our conversation will be out on Thursday 7th March. This episode was produced by Red Bicycle.
04/03/24•31m 58s
Clive Myrie - Part 2
This is part two of our conversation with Clive Myrie, one of the most recognisable and versatile broadcasters in the UK. He’s equally at home reporting from a warzone as he is in the studio, grilling contestants on Mastermind or presenting BBC News at Ten.In this part, Clive talks about what he's learnt through his life as a journalist, reporting on some of the most extreme global stories of recent times. Clive also reflects on how he views death as he gets older and answering that all important question, what would his specialist subject be on Mastermind?This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
29/02/24•27m 19s
Clive Myrie - Part 1
Clive Myrie is one of the most recognisable and versatile broadcasters in the UK. He’s equally at home reporting from a warzone as he is in the studio, grilling contestants on Mastermind or presenting BBC News at Ten.In part one of this wide-ranging conversation, he talks about the wisdom behind the title of his bestselling book, 'Everything is Everything'. It means things are more likely to be well if you have a more positive attitude. He also talks about his experiences of racism and why it still needs to be confronted as much as ever.The second part of our conversation will be released on Thursday 29th February.This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
26/02/24•43m 30s
Rory Bremner - Part 2
Rory Bremner is one of the country's leading comedians and impressionists. He's been making the nation laugh since the 1980s, often by taking a satirical look at the people in power. Rory’s career has seen him write and star in iconic shows like Spitting Image, Whose Line Is It Anyway and Mock the Week, as well as his long-running series Bremner, Bird and Fortune.This is part two of our conversation during which we talk about what Rory has learned about himself through relationships, being a parent, therapy and having friends who can make you laugh when you need it most.This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
22/02/24•42m 21s
Rory Bremner - Part 1
Rory Bremner is one of the country's leading comedians and impressionists. He's been making the nation laugh since the 1980s, often by taking a sideways look at the people in power. Rory’s career has seen him write and star in iconic shows like Spitting Image, Whose Line Is It Anyway and Mock the Week, as well as his long-running series Bremner, Bird and Fortune.This is part one of our conversation, during which we talk about many things including his childhood and the impact of losing his father when he was still young - part two of our conversation will be released on Thursday 22nd February. This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
19/02/24•33m 19s
James Graham - Part 2
James Graham is an exceptionally talented playwright and screenwriter.His critically acclaimed plays and scripts – including Ink, Sherwood, Brexit: the Uncivil War, and Dear England, have captured the imagination of critics and audiences. He often takes pivotal moments in our history to show how and why we’ve ended up where we are now.In an open and frank conversation, James talks about how therapy helped him with workaholism and avoidance issues as well as the nation's state of mind. This is part two of our conversation and is produced by Red Bicycle.
15/02/24•44m 11s
James Graham - Part 1
James Graham is an exceptionally talented playwright and screenwriter.His critically acclaimed plays and scripts – including Ink, Sherwood, Brexit: the Uncivil War, and Dear England, have captured the imagination of critics and audiences. He often takes pivotal moments in our history to show how and why we’ve ended up where we are now.In this part, James talks about how he believes story-telling is important for individuals and society as a whole and why he thinks telling both sides of a story is crucial. This is part one of our conversation, part two will be released on Thursday 15th February.This episode is produced by Red Bicycle.
12/02/24•31m 38s
Emily Maitlis - Part 2
Emily Maitlis is one of the most well-known and successful broadcast journalists in Britain. She’s covered the biggest stories of our times – and interviewed some of the most famous and powerful people, including Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Russell Brand and Prince Andrew.More recently she’s become one of the lead presenters of the highly rated podcast, The News Agents.In this part we find out how challenging people sometimes requires bravery and empathy – and what she learned from the sickening experience of being stalked.This episode was produced by Red Bicycle.
08/02/24•26m 48s
Emily Maitlis - Part 1
Emily Maitlis is one of the most well-known and successful broadcast journalists in Britain. She’s covered the biggest stories of our times – and interviewed some of the most famous and powerful people, including Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Russell Brand and Prince Andrew.More recently she’s become one of the lead presenters of the highly rated podcast, The News Agents.During our conversation in this part, we discuss Emily's choldhood, how she became a journalist and how it feels to have witnessed first hand some of the biggest moments of recnt history. This is part one of our conversation, part two will be released on Thursday 8th February.This episode was produced by Red Bicycle.
05/02/24•32m 57s
Rory Stewart - Part 2
Rory Stewart is a man of many talents. He’s been a politician, diplomat, professor, explorer and now a highly-successful podcaster.In this conversation we talk about his highs and lows, and the shame he felt at his mistakes – one so bad he considered suicide.He also gives his verdicts on the many Prime Ministers he’s worked with, explains why he’s so disillusioned with modern politics, and what we might do to make it better.This episode was produced by Red Bicycle.
01/02/24•33m 5s
Rory Stewart - Part 1
Rory Stewart is a man of many talents. He’s been a politician, diplomat, professor, explorer and now a highly-successful podcaster.In this conversation we talk about his highs and lows, and the shame he felt at his mistakes – one so bad he considered suicide. He also gives his verdicts on the many Prime Ministers he’s worked with, explains why he’s so disillusioned with modern politics, and what we might do to make it better.This is part one of our conversation first released on 29th January 2024; part two will be released on February 1st.This episode was produced by Red Bicycle.
29/01/24•30m 25s
Desperately Seeking Wisdom - Season Three Trailer
After years working 24/7 at the top of media and government, Craig Oliver realised he wasn’t happy. He wanted to discover the secrets of a more fulfilled life. That’s what his podcast, Desperately Seeking Wisdom, is all about. In season three, he's sitting down for intimate chats with thought-provoking guests like Rory Stewart, Emily Maitlis and James Graham …to share the wisdom they gained from the toughest times of their lives.Season three launches on the 29th January and you'll be able to listen on Global Player. Subscribe now and don't miss an episode.
22/01/24•31s
Matt Forde
Matt Forde is one of our funniest comedians – carving out a niche for himself as a sharp satirist and brilliant mimic of the likes of Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer.What’s really interesting about him is the humanity he brings to his podcast, The Political Party, where he treats politicians as fully-rounded and complex individuals who deserve our understanding. He speaks brilliantly about how life in a broken family and on free school meals helped shape his approach to life.
01/05/23•49m 43s
Michael Singer
Michael Singer has taught me so much. His New York Times bestselling books such as The Untethered Soul, are manuals on how to look at and experience life.He teaches how to radically shift our perspective on what it means to be alive – and how to accept both the past and the world we live in. There’s so much to learn from him...
24/04/23•46m 54s
Jacqui Smith
Jacqui Smith scaled the heights of British politics when she became the first female Home Secretary.It all came crashing down during the expenses scandal, when – among other things – it emerged her husband had claimed for pornographic movies. She’s since rebuilt her life as a broadcaster and political commentator.Jacqui is fascinating, open and honest about the experience of feeling her whole world was crumbling around her and what it taught her.
17/04/23•46m 30s
Professor Azza Karam
Professor Azza Karam is the Secretary General of Religions for Peace – a body set up to find a common purpose in the world’s great religions.She grew up in a loving, but restrictive Muslim family, where a strong mother thought she was helping her by limiting her achievements.I was fascinated by how she has come to terms with her past, her faith and her strong belief in our need for spiritual nourishment and expression.
10/04/23•50m 31s
Sir Simon Baron-Cohen
Sir Simon Baron-Cohen is a leading clinical psychologist and expert in autism. He has written a number of popular science books exploring subjects ranging from empathy (and the lack of it) to understanding how the neurodivergent mind works. He believes terms like “good” and “evil” don’t help us see how and why people operate as they do - and it’s in this area where much of his wisdom is to be found.
03/04/23•52m 33s
Jack Davenport
Jack Davenport is one of our best and most recognisable actors. His credits include: The Pirates of Caribbean, The Talented Mr Ripley, This Life and most recently, Ten Percent.He talks freely about staying centred while acting in a major production, what it was like growing up with film stars dropping in, and why he refuses to have anything to do with social media.
27/03/23•48m 59s
David Baddiel
David Baddiel has been at the top of comedy for many years – often using stories about his complex family for his hilarious, but sometimes painful material. He’s also a celebrated writer, having a huge impact with his children’s books and the polemic, Jews Don’t Count. His most recent book, The God Desire (published on April 13th, 2023), explains why although he yearns for there to be a God, he can’t bring himself to believe in one. David has fascinating insights throughout our wide-ranging conversation.
20/03/23•57m 31s
Lyse Doucet
Lyse Doucet is one of the best and most recognised journalists in the world. Her story of how she came to report on some of the poorest and most war-torn parts of the world is remarkable – but what is truly impressive about her is the empathy she brings to everything she does.We discuss how she stays grounded, her choice not to have a family and how one simple teaching is the bedrock of her approach to her life.
13/03/23•53m 50s
Anthony Scaramucci
Anthony Scaramucci achieved worldwide fame when he was fired as Donald Trump’s Director of Communications after just eleven days.When I first met him, I thought he would be just another loud-mouthed politico – but I discovered a man who had thought deeply about his life and the train-wreck of his career in politics. He couldn’t be further from his caricature and that’s why I wanted to talk to him on this podcast.
06/03/23•47m 17s
Reverend Richard Coles
The Reverend Richard Coles has had the most extraordinary life, from being an unlikely pop-star at the forefront of the gay rights movement in the 1980s, to being a Church of England vicar and much-loved broadcaster and writer.He talks about the harsh realities of being gay in the Church – and grieving for David, the love of his life, who died after years of being a chronic alcoholic.
27/02/23•55m 43s
John Simpson
John Simpson is a journalistic legend. At 78 he is still at the top of his game, reporting from the world’s hotspots, including the war in Ukraine.He talks openly about the seminal moment in his life when as a six-year-old boy he chose to live with his father over his mother. We also talk about why he keeps going and the impact of that on his sixteen-year-old son, Rafe.
20/02/23•46m 52s
Tanya and Nadim Ednan-Laperouse
Tanya and Nadim Ednan-Laperouse faced one of the most horrifying experiences anyone could suffer – being unable to save their beloved daughter, Natasha, when she had a severe allergic reaction to a Pret-a-Manger sandwich that wasn’t properly labelled.It’s tough to hear what they went through – but they are utterly inspirational in revealing the hard-won wisdom they gained, and how they remain so close and supportive of each other.
13/02/23•55m 31s
Amber Rudd
Amber Rudd and I got to know each other by experiencing the bubbling cauldron of UK politics at the same time.As we became firm friends, I realised one of her amazing qualities was the ability to stay calm in a crisis and to keep everything in perspective.We talk about what she learned from her father going blind; how she ended up being “Aristocracy Coordinator” on Four Weddings and a Funeral; being married to the brilliant but complex AA Gill; and her tumultuous experience at the very top of politics.
06/02/23•50m 4s
Dr Sian Williams
As a reporter, producer and anchor of some of the most watched television news programmes, Dr Sian Williams has been an eyewitness to some horrific events. Like many of us, she often used to wonder how to deal with such trauma. But Sian took things one step further. She re-trained as a psychologist, so she could help people emerge from their worst moments to grow in wisdom and happiness.
21/03/22•43m 9s
Lord Michael Hastings
When he was 16, Lord Michael Hastings decided he would dedicate his life to helping the poor. He went on to have a distinguished career in the public, corporate and non-profit sectors, as well as becoming an independent peer in the House of Lords. He believes that so many of our issues with life could be solved if we simply found ways to help others.
14/03/22•41m 27s
Mo Gawdat
Mo Gawdat is the former Chief Business Officer for Google X and the author of the international bestselling book “Solve For Happy: Engineer Your Path to Joy.” For years, he studied happiness as if it was a mathematical problem to be solved, and believed he had cracked the secret of being content.But when his 21 year old son, Ali, died suddenly during a routine operation, nothing made sense anymore. How could he even be alive, let alone happy, in a world where such a terrible thing could happen?Mo speaks about how he made peace with his son’s death and made his life worth living again.
07/03/22•56m 23s
Lucy Kellaway
In 2016, aged 57, Lucy Kellaway quit her prestigious, full-time job as a journalist at The Financial Times to become a trainee teacher.Around the same time, she also left her husband of 25 years, with whom she’d had four children, moved house and stopped dyeing her hair. Lucy wrote about her experiences in her book, “Re-educated: How I changed my job, my home, my husband and my hair,” and co-founded the charity Now Teach to encourage older professionals to step into the classroom and change their lives in the same way hers was transformed.
28/02/22•49m 3s
Kenny Imafidon
Two days after his 18th birthday, Kenny Imafidon was charged with a murder he did not commit. He spent the next 6 months on remand in Feltham Prison, and became the first person to complete his A levels there.He was eventually acquitted after a judge said there was no evidence whatsoever to support the charges against him. In the decade since, Kenny has forged a career as an award-winning social entrepreneur and campaigner, and is the co-founder & Managing Director of ClearView Research consultancy.Kenny talks candidly about what he learnt from his time in prison, the prejudice that still exists in our society, and what it feels like to get a second chance at life.
21/02/22•40m 3s
Tom Bradby
Tom Bradby is an award-winning journalist and TV presenter, and currently the presenter of ITV News at Ten. In his spare time, he’s written 10 novels and several screenplays. But a few years ago, his life came off the rails, when he had a breakdown and was signed off work for 3 months with acute insomnia. He speaks about what led to his breakdown, and how he found a way to a more balanced life.
14/02/22•42m 11s
Isabel Hardman
The award-winning journalist Isabel Hardman talks about dealing with extreme trauma and a public breakdown while covering the Conservative Party conference.What she’s learned has helped her not just to cope, but thrive in the often brutal world of Westminster politics.She is a big proponent of the healing power of nature, which she outlines in her book, “The Natural Health Service.”
07/02/22•48m 5s
Justin Webb
The BBC Today programme presenter, Justin Webb, is known for mixing forensic journalistic skills with being a true gentleman.But he had a difficult childhood, brought up by a complex mother with lots of issues and a step-father with a severe mental illness.When he was eight, his mother told him the presenter he was watching on the news was his father Peter Woods, a man he would never meet. He talks openly about all of this in his fascinating new memoir, “The Gift of Radio, My Childhood and other Trainwrecks.”
31/01/22•51m 23s
Dr Bruce Perry
Dr Bruce Perry is one of the world's leading experts on trauma.He recently co-wrote a book with Oprah Winfrey, in which he says for too long we have asked the question, “What’s wrong with you?” when we should be asking, “What happened to you?”He believes our lives would all be so much simpler if we really understood where each of us is coming from.
24/01/22•46m 8s
Ruth Davidson
Ruth Davidson, the former Scottish Conservative leader, is known for her enthusiastic, joyful approach to life, but twice she’s suffered serious injuries. She also wrote candidly about her struggles with clinical depression in her book, “Yes She Can: Why Women Own The Future.” But she hasn’t allowed any of that to define her . She's found joy campaigning, and what she learned from all of that is really worth hearing.
17/01/22•54m 29s
Richard Curtis
Richard Curtis, the writer, director and co-founder of Comic Relief, is bright, optimistic, caring and a huge success at whatever he turned his hand to.His films are loved by millions around the world, and Comic Relief has had a positive impact on the lives of tens of millions of people.But like all of us, Richard has had his share of pain and uncertainty. He speaks about the wisdom he’s gained, and how he’s handled deep sadness in later life. A warning - there is a short discussion about suicide during this podcast.
10/01/22•49m 2s
George Alagiah
Seven years ago, the BBC TV presenter and journalist George Alagiah was diagnosed with bowel cancer. The prognosis wasn't good, and he was told to get his affairs in order.George speaks movingly and frankly about coping with the knowledge that his life and relationships will be cut short, and what living in the shadow of a terrible disease has helped him appreciate.
03/01/22•52m 14s
Introducing Desperately Seeking Wisdom
A podcast for people hoping to live a simpler, more fulfilled life - and want to hear the wisdom others gained after facing life's challenges. In this series, Craig Oliver talks to some extraordinary people who have faced extremely difficult - often traumatic experiences - and finds out what they learned and what they believe will help others gain peace of mind and heart.
14/12/21•2m 14s
