The Trial of Lucy Letby: The Inquiry

Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital.   In this episode we hear from Doctor U, the married doctor who prosecutors at Lucy Letby's trial described as her boyfriend and who she denied having an affair with.  He tells the inquiry he didn’t suspect her of causing harm and actively encouraged her to gain more work and valuable experiences at another hospital - even after suspicions were raised and she was suspended from working with patients at the Countess of Chester. He now says he feels manipulated.   We also hear Lucy Letby’s own thoughts via an email and letter she sent to her fellow nurses and the consultants who blamed her for the babies deaths. She claims she is totally innocent and requests her colleagues be ‘sensitive’ and supportive’ of her when she returns to the neo-natal unit.   Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Buddy Peace Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance   A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence from some of the doctors who worked on the ward with Lucy Letby. They all told the inquiry the numbers of babies collapsing and dying caused staff to think the unthinkable - that a member of staff was harming babies.  Once they did raise concerns with managers they were wrongly told a review had cleared Lucy Letby and they were ordered to write her a letter of apology.  We also heard this week that that senior nurses told the consultants they were incorrect about their suspicions, and, months after she was removed from the ward, they invited Lucy Letby to the staff Christmas party. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)   Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan, Emma Beggan, Evie Killip, Aiden James, Grace Clark, Michelle Lehane, Natalie Durkin, Sebastian Birtles Editor: Chelsey Moore Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance   A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. To get an exclusive NordVPN deal, head to https://nordvpn.com/thetrial to get an extra 4 months on the 2-year plan. There’s no risk with Nord’s 30-day money-back guarantee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital.   In this episode we hear the testimony from 8 parents who had babies on the neonatal unit. The same themes recur again and again. We hear how the families’ search for answers fell upon deaf ears. Many describe their regret at putting their trust in the hospital and its staff. They detail the hospital’s failure to disclose information they say was crucial in preventing more babies from being harmed and how, in some circumstances, this non-disclosure amounted to lies and concealment. We also learn more about the implied relationship Lucy Letby had with a married doctor that may point to a motive for the harm she caused.   Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)   Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan, Emma Beggan, Evie Killip, Aiden James, Grace Clark, Michelle Lehane, Natalie Durkin, Sebastian Birtles Editor: Chelsey Moore Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance   A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.   This episode contains some details that listeners could find distressing To get an exclusive NordVPN deal head to https://nordvpn.com/TheTrial to get an extra 4 months on the 2-year plan. There’s no risk with Nord’s 30-day money back guarantee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Join Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull as they cover the latest evidence from the Thirlwall Inquiry, which is examining how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder whilst working at the Countess of Chester Hospital.   In this episode we recount the experiences of the parents of five babies who were killed or harmed by the neonatal nurse through their first-hand testimony. We hear how they came to question her actions and behaviour, and learn more about how and when, they say the hospital fell short in safeguarding the children in its care.   Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)   Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Chelsey Moore Voice Actors: Olivia Tarr, Hannah Veness and Rowan Polonski   Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance   A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.   This episode contains some details that listeners could find distressing To get an exclusive NordVPN deal head to https://nordvpn.com/TheTrial to get an extra 4 months on the 2-year plan. There’s no risk with Nord’s 30-day money back guarantee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode we hear evidence from two mothers whose babies were murdered by Lucy Letby on the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital.    They detail a lack of disclosure and poor communication from the hospital. They confirm the consequences of the hospital managers’ delay in contacting the police and the lack of accountability felt at the time and ever since. Their distressing and emotive testimony lays bare how responsible many of the parents feel the Countess was in allowing Letby to harm their newborns and the devastating impact this has had on their lives.   Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)   Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Buddy Peace Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance   A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We are now at the end of the first week of the Thirlwall Inquiry set up to establish how Lucy Letby was able to get away with murdering babies on an NHS hospital ward for so long.   Already damaging testimony has been delivered about how multiple attempts to raise the alarm went unheeded, and delays in calling in the police cost babies' lives. Why were managers slow to act? What action could or should the hospital have taken? And what urgently needs to change within our healthcare system to stop something similar ever happening again?   Join Caroline and Liz as they bring you the very latest.  Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Chelsey Moore Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Following the trial and conviction of neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, The Thirlwall Inquiry has been set up to examine the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital that surrounded the murder and attempted murder of multiple babies. It began today, Tuesday 10th September 2024, at Liverpool Town Hall. In this episode Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull discuss the very first day of the hearing as the opening statements by chair, Lady Justice Thirlwall and counsel to the Inquiry, Rachel Langdale KC, are delivered to an emotionally charged chamber. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Buddy Peace Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As it’s revealed Lucy Letby has changed her legal team this special episode takes a look at what is causing rampant speculation amongst both experts and the general public that Lucy Letby’s conviction could have been ‘unsafe’. We speak to Professor Jane Hutton, who signed a letter calling for an extension to the scope of the Inquiry as she questions the statistical evidence that was provided in court. Liz and Caroline then go onto discuss Letby’s legal position with Tim Owen, KC, a barrister with a wealth of experience in returning cases to appeal. He offers a frank and precise analysis of the very limited options left open to the former nurse and her legal team. We then look ahead to the Inquiry—which commences on Tuesday 10th September—and the three key findings it will aim to establish. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk WhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Guests: Professor Jane Hutton and Tim Owen, KC Producer: Caroline Cheetham Editor: Buddy Peace Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the heartwrenching words of Baby K’s mum who spoke in court about how Lucy Letby’s actions had devastated her family’s life. They also detail the remarks of Mr Justice Goss, as he sentenced Lucy Letby to another whole life term, and they discuss the reasons she tried and failed to appeal her convictions. Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.  Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the guilty verdict. It took the jury in Manchester just over three hours to decide that Lucy Letby did try to murder a tiny premature baby known only as Baby K. They believed the doctor who said he caught Lucy Letby virtually red-handed as the baby started to collapse after her breathing tube was dislodged. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the final words to the jury before they are sent out to consider their verdict. They have been told it’s up to them which evidence is the most important, and which witnesses they choose to believe. Lucy Letby’s guilt or innocence in this case, is in their hands.  Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.  Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the evidence of Lucy Letby in her own words and detail what she told the jury over two days in the witness box. She insisted she does not remember the alleged attack on Baby K, or accept that what Dr Ravi Jayaram says he saw actually happened. She also denied ‘looking for grief’ when she searched for the names of parents of babies she killed or harmed on Facebook years after they died.  Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.  Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz have seen, for the first time, the videos of Lucy Letby facing questions from detectives. In three separate video clips shown to the jury, Lucy Letby denied dislodging Baby K’s breathing tube and she said she could not remember Baby K collapsing. She also told officers the unit could not cope with the number of babies and Baby K was so premature she would have needed one to one care. Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence of Dr Ravi Jayaram who told the jury he caught Lucy Letby “virtually red handed” as she allegedly attempted to kill Baby K. He says he walked into Nursery 1 to find the baby collapsing, but the alarms on the ventilator were not sounding and Lucy Letby was standing nearby doing nothing. He said today that he didn’t call the police because he feared retribution from hospital managers. The jury have already been told that Dr Jayaram is the key witness in the case and their verdict will ultimately depend on whether they believe him or not. Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz hear the Mum’s Story. That’s Baby K’s mum who told the jury not just about the short four-day life of her daughter, but also of her excitement when she first found out she was pregnant. She also told the court how she and her husband took pictures with their daughter – just half an hour after nurse Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill her. Lucy Letby denies the charge and her defence barrister has already told the court Baby K was so premature that she was clinically fragile. Both the prosecution and the defence barristers say the evidence of the consultant who claims he caught Lucy Letby “virtually red handed” will be the key to the case. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz are back at Manchester Crown Court as neo-natal nurse Lucy Letby returns to the dock. This time she is facing one charge – the attempted murder of a very premature baby girl, known as Baby K. Today, as the trial got underway, the jury were told she was caught “virtually red handed” by a consultant as she tried to dislodge the breathing tube of Baby K in an attempt to kill her. She then allegedly dislodged the tube twice more to cover her tracks.  The jury were told Lucy Letby is a convicted baby killer and her previous convictions were relevant to the charge she now faces. She denies the charge and her defence barrister told the court Baby K was so premature that she was clinically fragile. Both the prosecution and the defence barristers told the jury they ultimately had to decide if they believed the consultant who claims he caught her in the act. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Caroline and Liz sign off for the time being. So they’re handing over to you and will try to answer some of the questions you’ve been asking throughout the trial. Many of these questions couldn't be addressed earlier due to legal restrictions, and they still can’t answer everything, but they’ll shed some light on some of the things you’ve wanted to know.  They also bring up an update from the steps of Manchester Crown Court about a development in the trial against Lucy Letby. Thanks for listening and we’ll be back with any updates. Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz chat to eminent barrister Mary Prior KC, who explains just how defendants appeal their convictions following the announcement that Lucy Letby plans to contest the jury’s verdicts in her case. We also have an exclusive interview with the prosecution’s main expert witness Dr Dewi Evans, who tells us why he fears Lucy Letby may have killed or harmed more babies in her care. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring together people from the public gallery who followed this trial for a chat about how this case has affected them. And we’ll share some of last night’s candlelit vigil for the babies at Chester Cathedral. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz chat to expert legal commentator, Joshua Rozenberg KC, who explains just why Lady Justice Thirlwall is the perfect judge to chair the public inquiry into Lucy Letby’s crimes, and Tamlin Bolton, a senior lawyer with Switalskis Solicitors, who is representing several of the victims’ families. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Caroline and Liz speak to Dr. Fiona MacRae, an anaesthetist at the Countess of Chester Hospital for over 25 years including the time that Lucy Letby was on the neonatal unit. Dr. MacRae gives us a unique insight into the hospital culture that, she says, could have facilitated an environment that allowed Lucy Letby to get away with murder for as long as she did. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode the parents of a premature baby boy cared for by Lucy Letby tell Liz of their fear that he may have been harmed by her. They also recall she said he was her “favourite” and more than once she removed the tubes helping him to breath to take pictures of him. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Caroline and Liz hear from the parents of twin boys, Baby L and Baby M. While today they are happy healthy seven year olds, the parents will always be haunted by the fact that Lucy Letby very nearly killed their babies. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz speak to Dr John Gibbs, one of the consultants who repeatedly tried to blow the whistle on Lucy Letby. He speaks of his regret that hospital managers didn’t listen or go to police sooner. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lucy Letby abused the trust not only of the babies and their parents, but also of her nursing colleagues. In this episode Caroline and Liz chat to the deputy senior investigating officer, DCI Nicola Evans, about how she was able to manipulate everyone around her to get away with murder for so long. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Until she entered the witness box back at the start of May, there were few who really knew what Lucy Letby was like. But one person knew better than most. Detective Sergeant Danielle Stonier spent over 20 hours interviewing Lucy Letby when she was arrested. In this exclusive interview with the detective, Caroline and Liz ask what it was like to question one of the worst murderers in modern times. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lucy Letby was killing in plain sight. But during the trial we heard little about how she was caught. Caroline and Liz sit down with Detective Superintendent Paul Hughes to talk to him about how this case landed on his desk. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you details of what happened in court when Lucy Letby was handed a whole life order. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Caroline and Liz explore who exactly is Lucy Letby? And examine how this ordinary ‘girl next door’ went on to become the worst serial child killer in modern times. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today nurse Lucy Letby has been found guilty of murdering and attempting to murder babies in her care. Caroline and Liz go over the verdicts and give you all the details from the steps of Manchester Crown Court. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Tristan Kirk, the courts correspondent for the Evening Standard in London. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As we continue to wait for the jury to reach their verdicts, Caroline and Liz have pulled together more of the most memorable moments from their guest interviews. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz have put together some of the most memorable moments of their guest interviews. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Mike Dodd, a former reporter and long-time legal advisor for the Press Association. "If the public don't know what's going on in the courts, they've got no idea whether justice is actually being administered or whether the system is working."  Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Polly Rippon – a former court reporter with 20 years' experience. In this interview, we hear why judges are eager to see more reporters in their courtrooms.  Polly has told her court reporting students, “You might be in court and feel almost as if you’re intruding a bit into someone’s life. But actually you have to think of the greater good that you’re doing: you’re telling members of the public what's happening in court, that the courts are functioning properly, that the police are doing their job.” Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain that the jury has now been sent out to consider their verdicts. They were asked to begin their deliberations after listening to the judge sum up the case for more than four days. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz outline the closing speech of Lucy Letby’s barrister, Ben Myers, KC. He tells the jury that the prosecution case is based on a presumption of guilt and not innocence. And he claims she is wrongly being blamed for mistakes in care at the hospital. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz continue to explain what prosecutor Nick Johnson KC said in his closing speech. He tells the jury Lucy Letby underwent training on the dangers of air embolus just days before she allegedly started harming babies and that the timings of some of the alleged attacks were strikingly similar. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All the evidence has now been presented to the jury in the trial of Lucy Letby. In this episode, Caroline and Liz explain what prosecutor Nick Johnson KC said in his closing statement and how he is pulling together what he calls the ‘patterns' or ‘similarities’ in the alleged attacks. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz outline the conclusion of the defence case and the end of the evidence. They also explain the judge’s directions to the jury and how they should decide whether Lucy Letby is guilty or innocent of the charges she faces. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby said at the conclusion of her cross-examination. They discuss the prosecution claims that she was out on the razzle, drinking with colleagues in the months before her arrest. And how it’s alleged that she’s a calculated murderer who killed babies for attention and sympathy. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby said when questioned by the prosecution about Babies K to Q. They discuss how she accepts that two of her alleged victims were poisoned with insulin - just not by her. And how the prosecution say she was plotting to kill all three of the triplets. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this bonus episode Caroline and Liz take a closer look at what Lucy Letby says about her relationship with Dr A. They examine how it’s alleged she attacked and murdered babies on the neo-natal unit - to get his attention because she had a ‘crush’ on him. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby said when questioned by the prosecution about three of the alleged victims in the case - Baby I, Baby J and Baby K. They discuss how she was accused of getting a “thrill” out of watching the grieving parents of Baby I bathe their daughter after she died and how she allegedly took the opportunity to try to kill when staff were busy with an emergency. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby said when questioned by the prosecution about four of the alleged victims in the case - Baby E, Baby G, Baby H and Baby I. They discuss how she denies ‘cooking’ or faking medical notes to cover her tracks and attacking babies soon after their parents reluctantly left their cotsides. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what happened in court when the prosecution began questioning Lucy Letby for the first time. They discuss how she believes a ‘gang of four’ hospital consultants were out to get her, and blame her for the sudden collapses and deaths of babies to cover up for failures in their care. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby had to say about the specific allegations relating to babies G to Q. They discuss how she disputed the evidence given by doctors and nurses on the unit and reveal what she said when asked directly if she’d attacked babies in her care. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Last week was unusual because the court didn’t sit at all due to the Bank Holiday and juror sickness. Today Lucy Letby resumes her evidence from the witness box and we’re hoping to bring you a bonus episode on this later in the week. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy this interview with Australian Associated Press Reporter Karen Sweeney. Caroline and Liz chat to Karen, who has been following the podcast from the beginning, about her career and court reporting in Australia. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby had to say on the second day of her defence case. We examine the specific allegations relating to the first six babies in the trial - babies A to F - and how she said it was ‘awful’ being accused of murdering children in her care. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this bonus episode, Caroline and Liz outline the start of Lucy Letby’s defence and explain what she said about why she is innocent of the charges against her. We’ll hear how she was traumatised and left with PTSD by her arrest and how she insisted she never did anything to hurt the babies in her care. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz focus on the final days of the prosecution case against Lucy Letby. We’ll hear more from the interviews she gave to police after her arrest and how she was so depressed after being moved off the neo-natal unit that she contemplated suicide. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain how police found a diary, a selection of handwritten notes and hundreds of medical handover sheets during searches of Lucy Letby’s home. We also reveal what she told police when questioned and how she wept when photographs of her bedroom were shown in court. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz outline how Lucy Letby was telephoned at short notice by her manager and asked not to work her night shift following the collapse of the 17th baby in the case, Baby Q. In a series of text messages to colleagues she said the call had ‘messed with her head’ and prompted her to have a ‘meltdown’ because she was worried she was ‘in trouble.’ Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Caroline and Kim Pilling, standing in for Liz, go over what the court heard about the final baby in this case, Baby Q. He was a baby boy who was considered to be stable, until one morning when he collapsed just after Lucy Letby had left the nursery he was in. The prosecution allege that the clear fluid Baby Q had vomited before his collapse was water or saline which had been forced down his nasogastric tube by Lucy Letby.  Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Caroline is joined by Kim Pilling from the Press Association. He’s been at Manchester Crown Court every day covering the trail and is standing in for Liz while she’s away. The court has heard from an expert pathologist who told the jury that six of the babies in the case did not die from natural causes. He told the court one of the babies had “huge” bruising to his liver, the like of which he might expect to see in children involved in road traffic accidents, accidents with bicycles and non-accidental assaults.   We also hear from Ex Daily Mirror Journalist, Feature Writer and Media Law Lecturer Carole Watson on how to cover important stories while working within the law. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby P, the second of two identical triplets allegedly murdered by Lucy Letby at the end of June 2016. The nurse is accused of killing him 23 hours after his brother, by injecting air into his feeding tube and tummy. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the jury have heard about attempts made by a senior doctor to have Lucy Letby removed from the neo-natal unit after the death of two triplets. The nurse is accused of killing the brothers by injecting air into their tummies and bloodstreams on successive shifts after she returned from a holiday to Ibiza. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby O, the first of two identical triplets allegedly murdered by Lucy Letby at the end of June 2016. The nurse is accused of killing the brothers by injecting air into their tummies and bloodstreams on successive shifts after she returned from a holiday to Ibiza. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby N, a premature baby boy admitted to the Countess of Chester Hospital with the blood-clotting condition haemophilia. Lucy Letby is accused of attempting to murder him by thrusting a piece of medical tubing or equipment down his throat, causing him to bleed and collapse. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this bonus episode Caroline and Liz take an in depth look at what the jury have heard about the nurse at the centre of the trial. They examine text messages between Lucy Letby and her colleagues which show she had a ‘flirty’ friendship with a doctor on the unit and look at what they reveal about her private life. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby K, an extremely premature baby girl who Lucy Letby is accused of attempting to murder by tampering with her breathing tube. We’ll hear evidence from TV doctor, Dr Ravi Jayaram, who said he suspected he interrupted Lucy Letby attacking Baby K. And that after she was transferred to a more specialised unit, she sadly died because of problems associated with her ‘extreme prematurity.’ Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this bonus episode, Caroline and Liz discuss the change in focus the court took this week, as the jury heard more about how doctors were getting worried about a possible link between the babies who had been collapsing in the neonatal unit. It’s the first time the court has heard that there were some people who had started ‘to think the unthinkable”. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby M, a twin boy Lucy Letby is accused of attempting to murder by injecting with air. Jurors have heard how doctors first became suspicious about Lucy Letby 10 months before baby M’s collapse and how a medical log of the drugs he was given during attempts to save his life was later found under Lucy Letby’s bed when police searched her home after her arrest. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby L, a twin boy Lucy Letby is accused of poisoning with insulin. We also hear about how the nurse celebrated winning £135 on the Grand National shortly after the attack allegedly took place and how there was drama in court when she broke down in tears after a doctor she worked with gave evidence for the first time. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Liz and Caroline explain the rest of the evidence the jury have heard about Baby J, ‘a nice little baby’ who Lucy Letby is accused of attempting to murder in November 2015 by smothering.  Jurors have been told her parents had been preparing to take her home when she suddenly collapsed and suffered two seizures at the end of a night shift. The court heard there was no ‘obvious’ medical cause for her brain being starved by oxygen and it’s the prosecution case that Lucy Letby must have been responsible. Lucy Letby denies all the charges. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Liz and Caroline explain the evidence the jury have heard in relation to a premature baby girl, Baby J, who Lucy Letby is accused of attempting to murder by smothering in November 2015. Baby J was born 8 weeks early and underwent surgery for a perforated bowel in the first few days after her birth. Jurors heard she was recovering well and her mother and father were preparing to take her home. But, the prosecution say, that all changed during a night shift when Lucy Letby allegedly tried to smother Baby J, causing her to suffer a seizure.  Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Liz and Caroline explain the evidence the jury have heard in relation to a very premature baby girl, Baby I, who Lucy Letby allegedly attacked three times, before murdering her on the fourth attempt. Jurors heard from a doctor who said she saw Lucy Letby crying on the neo-natal unit and saying: ‘It’s always me when it happens, my babies…” The court was also shown a sympathy card Lucy Letby wrote to the parents of Baby I after she died. Lucy Letby denies all the allegations. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Liz and Caroline finish explaining the evidence the jury heard in relation to Baby H, a premature baby girl who Lucy Letby is accused of trying to murder twice on consecutive night shifts. Baby H was a poorly baby who was on and off a ventilator while at the Countess of Chester Hospital. But within two days at Arrowe Park Hospital, she dramatically improved. Prosecutors say Lucy Letby was sabotaging her care while she was at the Countess. Lucy Letby denies these allegations. Also in this episode: Professor David Wilson, a well known criminologist who is sometimes called the real life Cracker, tells us how punching an opponent in the nose during a rugby game in university led to his interest in crime and punishment. He also opens up about the saddest miscarriage of justice he encountered - the case of Stefan Kiszko who was wrongfully imprisoned for 16 years before being exonerated. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby H, a baby girl, who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill twice in 24 hours. In the early hours of September 26, 2015, Baby H collapsed and didn’t have a heartbeat for twenty-two minutes while staff battled to save her life. Jurors were told the doctors were so worried that they urged her parents to have her baptised in case she didn’t make it.  Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Liz and Caroline had hoped to bring you details of evidence heard by the jury during their first week back. But, unexpectedly the case was delayed and unable to go ahead because of health and family issues relating to two members of the jury. We’re hoping they will be back to normal next week. In the meantime, we have two excellent interviews this week: Part 2 of the interview with media law expert Mark Hanna, and another with the legendary boss of news agency Cavendish Press, Jon Harris, AKA Mr Justice Harris. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Trial of Lucy Letby is back after the Christmas break with an interview with Mark Hanna, one of the editors of McNae’s Essential Law for Journalists - the book considered to be the ‘bible’ of media law for reporters. Liz and Caroline chat to Mark about the legal tightrope they are treading to bring listeners the podcast – one of the first to cover an ongoing legal case – each week. Next week, Liz and Caroline will be back with details on what the jury are expected to hear over the coming days about the next baby in the case, Baby H, as the trial resumes for the new year. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Caroline and Liz explain how Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill Baby G, the most premature baby in the case, on two more occasions. We hear how she is said to have attacked the tiny infant on a day shift, within the space of five hours, on her original due date, leaving her with irreversible brain damage. We also hear part two of the chat with former chief crown prosecutor, Nazir Afzal, where he describes the importance of trials being open to the public and how trust in the justice system would benefit from live streaming trials. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby G, the most premature baby in this case, who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill three times in a fortnight. We also chat to former chief crown prosecutor, Nazir Afzal, about the difficulties faced by lawyers preparing and running such a long and complicated trial, and why advances in technology have revolutionised courtrooms. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what the prosecution experts say happened to Baby F, a premature twin boy who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to poison with insulin. We hear how two bags of feed were allegedly contaminated by Lucy Letby and how all of the nurses on duty during the night shift were called to court - and each denied putting insulin into baby F’s feed. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby F, a premature twin boy who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill with insulin. We hear how his blood sugar suddenly crashed soon after the nurse allegedly poisoned his intravenous feed and how, after she finished her shift, she went salsa dancing with a colleague. We also chat to freelance broadcaster, Matt O’Donoghue, about the skill of condensing a day’s worth of evidence into just a few minutes for television or radio. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby E, a premature twin boy who Lucy Letby allegedly attacked with a plastic medical tube or wire before she murdered him. We hear from his mother, who the prosecution say, interrupted the nurse while she was attacking her son, and about more text messages Lucy Letby exchanged with colleagues after his death. We also chat to former Old Bailey court reporter and media law expert Tim Crook, professor of journalism at London's Goldsmiths University, about why court reporting is still important in the modern era. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this bonus episode of the Trial of Lucy Letby, Liz and Caroline speak to Julia Quenzler, a courtroom artist at the Lucy Letby trial. Over her 30 year career she has sketched defendants, barristers and court scenes of some of the most high profile cases in modern history. It is a fascinating listen that you won’t want to miss. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine the case of Baby D, a baby girl born full term, who was admitted to the neo-natal unit with an infection because of a hospital mistake. We hear testimony from her devastated parents who say they saw Lucy Letby ‘hovering’ around their daughter’s cot hours before she died. We also have a fascinating interview with a court artist, who has drawn defendants and court scenes of some of the world's most significant criminal trials over her 30-year career. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Liz and Caroline review what the jury heard about the death of baby C, described by one nurse as the smallest baby she had ever seen. It is alleged that Lucy Letby was close to the infant’s cot and injected him with air causing his collapse, while her defence say she was not responsible and the hospital was not equipped to deal with a baby of his size. In this episode, we’ll also hear texts Lucy Letby shared with a colleague after this night shift, as well as testimony from the prosecution's expert witnesses who say Baby D did not die of natural causes.  Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In our continuation of the Trial of Lucy Letby, Liz and Caroline focus on the case of Baby B, the twin of Baby A. She was allegedly attacked 27 hours after her brother, but survived. We’ll hear testimony from nurses and doctors who successfully resuscitated Baby B when she collapsed. Liz and Caroline also chat to experienced journalist Kim Pilling, who works for the Press Association and has one of just a handful of media seats in the actual courtroom. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Liz and Caroline continue their examination of the trial, which is focusing on each baby in turn. They look into what the prosecution say happened to Baby A – the first alleged victim. A premature twin boy, he died 24 hours after his birth in June 2015. We’ll also hear about a significant rash found on some of the alleged victims and hear text messages Lucy Letby sent to colleagues after Baby A’s death. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Caroline and Liz begin outside the crown court where Liz goes over the opening statements of both the prosecution and the defence. The prosecution accuse Lucy Letby of being ‘a poisoner’ and ‘constant malevolent presence’ on the unit, while the defence say the case against her is based entirely on coincidence and assumption, describing her as a hard working nurse who only tried to help the babies in her care. We’ll also hear from David Banks, a media law expert, who explains the fine line journalists tread when reporting ongoing trials. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this first episode of The Trial of Lucy Letby, Caroline and Liz go over the background of the case that has grabbed the attention of people all over the world. We’ll find out how the jury has heard that staff at the Countess of Chester Hospital grew suspicious of the nurse back in 2015 after an unexplained rise in deaths and serious collapses of babies in the neonatal unit. Follow The Trial on Twitter @thetrialpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices