Five Simple Steps

Content warning: This episode contains a reference to suicide.

Traveling to Taiwan with her mom, Kathy imagines the life she might have lived had her family stayed.

— Kathy's mom previously appeared on Nancy in the episodes "Hello Hello" and "Kathy's Mom is Uncomfortable With All This."

— Guo Mama is a volunteer at the Taiwan Tongzhi Hotline Association in Taipei.

— Li Te-Yun (Nan Gua) is a singer-songwriter in Taiwan.

Special thanks to Andrew Ryan, a host and producer with Radio Taiwan International.

Episode scoring by Jeremy Bloom with additional music by Art of Escapism ("Done with Disco"), Uncan ("Unbroken"), and Little Glass Men ("Cloud Launching"). Theme by Alexander Overington.