27. No Room for a Sinking Feeling with Hilda Heine

In our new format, this week Tom, Christiana, and Paul bring in what they're optimistic for or outraged by to kick things off. Later on, we talk with President Hilda Heine of The Marshall Islands. We hear how she had never aspired to be President, how optimism in the face of existential adversity is the only way, and why believing the best in humanity is still possible.