Paris Lees and Ramla Ali are extraordinary - with Pantene

A one off special, live in collaboration with Pantene, Katie talks to boxer and Vogue cover girl, Ramla Ali, and writer and transgender campaigner, Paris Lees. Ramla talks about boxing in secret for six years due to her family disagreeing with her being involved in the sport. Paris talks about what it was like growing up as a boy who knew she was female. They are later joined by MBE Errol Douglas and talk about how the power of hair connects them all. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices