What can you learn from the guy who built the iPod?

Peter Kafka talks with Tony Fadell, who helped bring the iPod and iPhone to life, and then built and sold Nest, the smart home company. His new book is “Build: An Unorthodox Guide to Making Things Worth Making.” Fadell talks about how developing a product begins with creating its “story,” and why he fought so hard to include a $3 screwdriver in Nest thermostat boxes. He also touches on some high-profile failures, unintended consequences, and why he doesn’t want to dance in the metaverse. Featuring: Tony Fadell (@tfadell), Tech Investor & Entrepreneur, author of "Build" Host of Recode Media: Peter Kafka (@pkafka), Senior Editor at Recode Support Recode Media and Recode Daily by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices