I've never been able to look at a pigeon the same way again
Jane and Fi have been at the Destinations Show at Kensington Olympia to explore all things travel.
The film-maker and travel writer Ash Bhardwaj discusses his recent 8,500 km overland trip from the top of Norway to Romania, at a time of increased tensions between Russia and the West.
Also they talk pet food and the theme tune dance challenge.
If you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: janeandfi@times.radio
Assistant Producer: Sameer Merali
Times Radio Producer: Rosie Cutler
Podcast Executive Producer: Ben Mitchell
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.