Strangled by our robot carers (with Julie McDowall)

Jane explained why she won't be throwing a Eurovision party, they talk anxiety inducing meetings and softy civil servants.

Plus, they’re finally, finally, finally joined by nuclear threat specialist and journalist Julie McDowall…and its just as disconcerting as you’d expect. Her book ‘Attack Warning Red!’ is out now.

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Times Radio Producer: Rosie Cutler

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