On Shifting Ground

Tricks of the Trade: Kiwi Exports and Malaysia’s Balancing Act

At the 2023 APEC Forum in Detroit, Malaysian Deputy Minister Liew Chin Tong tells Ray Suarez how spaces like APEC are key to balancing relationships with competing superpowers. Then, Deputy Secretary Vangelis Vitalis shares how the demand for traditional Kiwi exports has kept Aotearoa’s economy afloat.
  
 Guest:
  
 Liew Chin Tong, Deputy Minister of Malaysian Investment, Trade and Industry
  
 Vangelis Vitalis, Deputy Secretary, New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade
  
 Host:
  
 Ray Suarez
  
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Do you ever feel like reality is shifting beneath your feet? Veteran journalist Ray Suarez spent forty years covering elections, civil wars, and pandemics that shaped the way we live. He’s seen entire countries flipped upside down and right side up… and now he’s here to bring a sensible voice to our endless doom-scrolling. Each week, Ray hosts conversations with journalists, leaders and policy experts that explore how people from New Hampshire to New Guinea are navigating our rapidly changing world. A co-production of Commonwealth Club - World Affairs and KQED.