Is Suella after the Tory leadership?

Suella Braverman is in Washington today, giving a speech to a think tank on illegal migration in which she will argue that seeking asylum and seeking better economic prospects are two different things. It's a punchy line she's taking, should Rishi be taking note? Or is this a thinly veiled bid for the Conservative leadership? 

Also on the podcast, as Ed Davey wraps up this year's Liberal Democrat conference in Bournemouth, is there optimism in Lib Dem HQ as we look towards the next election? 

Cindy Yu speaks to Patrick O'Flynn and James Heale. 

Produced by Cindy Yu and Oscar Edmondson.