Politics Unpacked

The Exit Interviews: Mark Drakeford

Former Conservative deputy chairman Lee Anderson has <a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/what-lee-anderson-defect-means-rishi-sunak-reform-uk-k363xq5tx" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">defected to Reform UK</a>, giving the party its first MP. Matt discusses the significance of the move with columnists Trevor Phillips and Libby Purves, and former minister Paul Scully. Plus: In the latest Exit Interview, outgoing First Minister of Wales Mark Drakeford explains why he is standing down and why he had a difficult relationship with successive Tory prime ministers. Lee Anderson joins Reform (03:13)The Exit Interview (16:30) Hosted on Acast. See <a href="https://acast.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="color:grey;" target="_blank">acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

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