Tate McRae, Dua Lipa and the Fight to Be ‘Main Pop Girl’
A conversation about a title that emerged from stan communities, and how it’s played a role in pop singers’ careers. Guests: Vulture's Jason P. Frank and Rolling Stone's Larisha Paul.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything
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