NXIVM Cult Survivors Jessica Joan & Kelly Thiel

Rick welcomes actress and NXIVM cult survivor Jessica Joan to discuss her podcast and book, both titled The Untouchable Jessica Joan. Afterwards, actress, bestselling author, and NXIVM cult survivor Kelly Thiel joins Rick to talk about her debut book, Unapologetically Glorious, that uses the exposure and fall of NXIVM to reveal her own vulnerabilities and how the process taught her the power of owning her story without shame or blame. 

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