heretics. | andrew gold

211. NXIVM vs Scientology Part 1

Kelly Thiel - a former member of the NXIVM cult - joins me and former scientologist Aaron Smith-Levin to discuss the similarities between the two cults. 

Kelly Thiel links:
https://kellythielbook.com
https://www.instagram.com/thekellythiel

Aaron Smith-Levin links:
https://www.youtube.com/c/GrowingUpInScientology
https://twitter.com/GrowingupinSCN

Andrew Gold links:
http://youtube.com/andrewgold1
http://instagram.com/andrewgold_ok
http://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok
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What makes you a heretic? Journalist Andrew Gold believes that, in an age of group-think and tribes, we need heretics - those who use unconventional wisdom to speak out against their own groups, from cancelled comedians and radical feminists to cult defectors and vigilantes hunting deviants.

Learn from my guests how to rebel, think differently and resist social contagion. From Triggernometry's Francis Foster and the world's most cancelled man Graham Linehan to ex-Hasidic Jew Julia Haart and gender critical atheist Richard Dawkins. These are the people living with the weight of their own community's disappointment on their shoulders.